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Walther PPS: The single-stack Glock?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Shmackey, Jun 26, 2011.

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  1. Shmackey

    Shmackey Member

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    I don't even like Glocks, but if they made a thin, single-stack 9mm Glock I would have to consider it for CCW. Before this PPS came out, I guess a Kahr P9 was the closest thing. (I have a PM9 in my pocket when I can't do IWB.)

    I really wanted to like the Sig P239, but I will never be a DA/SA guy. So an ideal CCW gun to me has a consistent, light trigger, a single-stack mag with a thin grip, and an aluminum or plastic frame. (Yep, I already have that in my CCO. I can't leave well enough alone.) Simple trigger, light, thin, small (but not two-fingers small like my PM9). Time to get a PPS?
     
  2. i loves my gun

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    no, not the single stack glock
     
  3. jame

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    I'm looking at them pretty hard right now, myself. Anyone know how long they've been on the market? Do they have what it takes to be a long term gun? (Market staying power?)

    I've really never read a bad thing about them. It looks like this one might be my next acquisition.
     
  4. Water-Man

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    Spend some time on WaltherForums.com
     
  5. klash545

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    they're fine pistols,i am a walther fan definitely....but the cost of magazines keep me from buying walther guns. i like to have lots of mags and at those prices no way.
     
  6. GreyCoupe

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    If I could suggest, your instincts are good, but there is a better carry gun from Walther.

    P5.

    9mm, small, accurate, concealable, comfortable. Good examples can be had for a reasonable amount, and they are fine handguns from a better era at Walther.
     
  7. Br

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    I have a PPS 9mm, its a very nice carry gun. I like the flexibility in carrying different size magazines. 6 rounds and its pocketable, 7 rounds and its easy to hold, and an 8-round mag I keep in the pocket.

    The PPS is much thinner than a P5. Its the thinness that is its greatest distinguishing asset. The PPS is about 1" thin, while the P5 is 1.3. I like the Walther P5 too, a very nice gun.


    Check out http://ppstalk.com/forum/ for a dedicated forum.
     
  8. Slamfire

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    Walter P5

    Not that thin, but not Beretta M92 fat either.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. chandne

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    I wish HK or Glock would make a single-stack slim 9 or 40. I just don't trust much else for a carry weapon. They would make a killing off something like this.
     
  10. balance 740

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    From what I've heard, the only single stack Glock (Glock 36) doesn't seem to have the same reliability as the larger double-stack Glocks, and H&K only seems to be making weapons to win contracts, so a single stack pistol from them will probably not be coming out anytime soon.

    I started liking Walther pistols at around the time I bought my P99. I see no difference in quality between my Walther P99 and my H&K P30. Thousands of rounds through it with no malfunctions that can be attributed to the pistol. Walther pistols seem to be quality pistols which use quality materials, but don't cost as much as H&K, Sig, etc. They do have some expensive mags though.

    My next pistol will probably be a PPS or a PPQ.

    I used to own a P5, and while it never had a malfunction and shot well in my hands, the $90 mags, and the thickness of the slide due to the falling block design made me give it up for a more modern pistol which held more rounds for it's size. I do think it is one of the most beautiful pistols around though, and I think it was a great pistol at the time it came out.
     
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    the main reason i don't like the pps is that the backstrap, which only "snaps" into place is also a safety. when removed, it disables the gun: no thanks.
     
  12. ugaarguy

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    Schmakey, how about a SIG P239 DAK (it's SIG's light double action trigger)? Also, if you like your CCO, and the P239 is thin enough, why not look at a Ruger SR9c? I know the SR9c is a double stack pistol, but it is thinner than a 1911 or P239. With the supplied finger extension it's a three finger gun. I'll pop the 17 rounder with frame spacer into mine & compare it length wise to one of my 1911s if that helps you.

    I know exactly where you're coming from too. I've tried to like DA/SA pistols, but they just aren't for me. After feeling the nasty trigger on the early full size SR9 I'd written them off as something that wasn't for me. Then the owner at the LGS put a SR9c in my hand that he'd taken in on trade. The SR9c pistols all have the improved trigger that's now in the full size SR9 as well. I've messed with the Walther PPS too. It's a nice gun, but its blocky shape makes it feel wider in my hand than it actually is. I'd rather have a Kahr C9 or CW9 than a PPS. I know at least one Glock shooter who also has a Kel-Tec PF9. Though not quite up to Kahr standards, the PF9 has a far better trigger than the old P11. The Ruger LC9 pistols I've handled have also felt very nice, but I'll let others beta test that one.
     
  13. Shmackey

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    Hmm ... It never occurred to me to check out the DAK Sigs. Is the trigger pull on those much better than the DA trigger pull on the regular 239 SAS? The one I tried was just abysmal, and this was the fancy short-reset, short trigger version. Must've been 12 pounds.

    I actually thought about the SR9c the other day. If it's as thin as a 1911, it might do the trick. Realistically, I'm looking for a second small IWB carry gun that I'll be able to have the GF use when she starts carrying. It's not like I really want to displace a custom 1911 all the time. I will carry and shoot it for a couple of months just to be sure it runs right.

    As a plus, the SR9c is a Ruger, so it probably costs about twelve dollars and runs like a top. :)
     
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    I've had my 9mm PPS since shortly after they came out and it's my carry gun most of the time. It's light, thin and easily carried and it's accurate to boot. I've got a 6, 7 & 8 round magazine, came with the first 2 and I bought the 8 rounder. The mag's are more expensive than other makes but all in all it would not sway my opinion away from the PPS. It's a great little carry gun, accurate and reliable!
     
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    PPS in 9mm was my daily carry as a back up before I went to a compact 1911 to go with my 1911 duty gun. Superb little gun, carried really well, ran flawlessly on duty ammo, and given the short barrel and sight radius was surprisingly accurate.
     
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    As to the PPS backstrap, it's only potentionally an issue if you make it one. Leave it alone. Forget about it. They have only caused problems when folks have futzed with them and have failed to engage them fully upwards when putting them back into place. Some PPS owners have glued them in place but I don't think that is necessary.

    The PPS is a superb pistol. The safety backstrap is a shortcoming that is a non-issue if ignored.
     
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    I have owned my PPS 9mm since they were released. I love this gun it is easy to conceal, can be easily carried in my pocket, IWB, or OWB. The gun is extremely reliable and accurate.
     
  18. Gunner442

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    PPS( I own a .40 S&W) easy to conceal, reliable, accurate, and a Walther. Big fan of mine, and yes I own Glocks and HKs, so I don't have tunnel vision. Worth looking at.
     
  19. simonm2211

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    The backstrap is really a non-issue as storm says. I added a hogue grip to wrap around my 40 PPS which makes it very secure and it is substantially more comfortable to hold during long range sessions. The PPS is very thin for a pretty powerful cartridge with reasonable capacity. Maybe a Kahr competes for concealability, but not too many others are as comfortable to carry with as powerful a punch.
     
  20. Shmackey

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    Well, it's official. I sold my PM9 and ordered a PPS for backup carry. Neither one replaces my Fusion CCO, but the PPS should be a better IWB gun for occasional pocket carry, whereas the PM9 was the opposite.
     
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    I think it was a good choice, Schmakey.
     
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    A little late, but here is some more info. I regularly shoot a Walther P99, and have a Walther P5C. I do not, yet, own a PPS, but have great respect for them. After lots of going around over compact nines, I have to throw this one out for consideration, as I have acquired a nice specimen, and am very happy with the performance: It's a S&W 3914 (same as the 3913 stainless, and nicer yet in the Ladysmith version). Mine is blued, and has the sleek looks of the Ladysmith, but is not marked as such, and has the single sided safety, making it trimmer. It shoots like a dream, with a better trigger than the Walthers, and is very slim (it has Delrin grips). It is very close dimensionally to the cut down "ASP" of yesteryear, considered by many professionals of the time to be the ultimate in a compact, combat 9mm.
     
  23. vaherder

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    Glock could never manufacture a handgun that would come close to PPS in quality, reliability and ergonomics. Sorry Glock just isnt in the same league as Walther and never will be.

    Yes I own a PPS
     
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    G36 single-stack .45. 6+1 in super-slim Glocky.
     
  25. Jbabbler

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    Had a PPS. It was more of a POS. Backstrap safety failed, gun wouldn't shoot. Slide stop spring broke, locked slide open hard in middle of shooting at range. Failure to feed on almost every magazine. Not my problem anymore.

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