Wanna see Open Carry accepted by the majority?
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sv_libertarian
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Jeff....
I'm a bit of a latecomer to the Washington OC game, I'm just riding on other people's coattails, but what we are doing here seems to be working.
I spent 6 interesting months in Big Spring, Howard County. Very unique country. I had people in Texas, way back with Austin's original 100. Fought against Mexico, and his son fought for the CSA...
I want to come back to Texas for a bit again.
Funny thing I get folks talking to me about OC and they say "This isn't Texas you know." I laugh and tell 'em "Yup, that's why I can OC" so may people can't believe how restrictive Texas is on gun carry. Shows what social conditioning and programing will do for a person...
I'm a bit of a latecomer to the Washington OC game, I'm just riding on other people's coattails, but what we are doing here seems to be working.
I spent 6 interesting months in Big Spring, Howard County. Very unique country. I had people in Texas, way back with Austin's original 100. Fought against Mexico, and his son fought for the CSA...
I want to come back to Texas for a bit again.
Funny thing I get folks talking to me about OC and they say "This isn't Texas you know." I laugh and tell 'em "Yup, that's why I can OC" so may people can't believe how restrictive Texas is on gun carry. Shows what social conditioning and programing will do for a person...
Then I guess those folks who want to drink should not participate. Maybe they should do the empty holster instead.
However, I believe the day we celebrate the independence of our country is a very appropriate day to do open carry. The only problem is some states may not allow carry during parades, but that is a time for the empty holster as well.
W.E.G.
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Indeed.
Don't ever drink and handle guns.
Otherwise, if you ever fire the gun in self-defense, or god-forbid you make a mistake, you will be crucified if it can be proved that you were drinking even the smallest amount prior to the incident.
Don't ever drink and handle guns.
Otherwise, if you ever fire the gun in self-defense, or god-forbid you make a mistake, you will be crucified if it can be proved that you were drinking even the smallest amount prior to the incident.
WayneConrad
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Has there been an instance--documented, please--where a defendant in a self-defense shooting has been "crucified," or has his case damaged for having had a drink prior to the incident?
Winchester 73
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I've never heard of a case either.
Along this line, Firearms Author Clayton Cramer, has written an interesting article on Guns,Alcohol and Laws:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/PopularMagazines/GunsAlcoholAndLaws.htm
yhtomit
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sv_libertarian:
Hey, how can I get clued in on these lunches and get-togethers? I'll be back in Washington (Seattle) late this summer, after a few years sojourn for school, and would like to take part
I suspect most diners would like the business of any bunch of polite, well-armed adequate tippers. timothy
yhtomit
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As I understand it, the traditional drinks of the fellows who founded the U.S. were cider and beer. Safety, important -- but moderate alcohol intake (and I say this as something just a nosehair short of a teetotaller) is not incompatible with safety. (And by moderate, I mean just that. Impairment is impairment, but for many people, a beer or two consumed at other than a breakneck pace leads to no meaningful impairment. I am not one of those people, but Hey
) timothy
It's definitley your right to OC in states that allow....but honestly, why??? If you are somewhere and an armed robber storms in, or calmly scopes out and then draws.....you're going to be his FIRST TARGET. I'm totally for carry however you want, but just don't understand the mentality of why anyone would want to OC. I love my Para P-14/45, but a KT P3AT in the right front pocket just seems right for me.
Please understand that I am in NO way criticizing anyone who OC's. That is not my intention. I'm merely stating MHO, and hoping to be enlightened on others opinions of why to OC.
Please understand that I am in NO way criticizing anyone who OC's. That is not my intention. I'm merely stating MHO, and hoping to be enlightened on others opinions of why to OC.
sv_libertarian
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This again? What evidence do you have to support this belief that a robber will target an OC'er first? This myth pops up so often...
I believe if this had any grounding in reality, one would have heard documented cases of the "armed guy getting it" from places where OC has been common for years.
I don't like having a shirt, coat or pocket in the way of my gun. Nor do I like looking like the rest of the unarmed masses, (i.e., a potential victim...)
If you were a crook, would you choose the room with armed people in it, or would you go somewhere else?
Would you commit a crime in the presence of someone armed, or would you go somewhere else?
Or would you prefer to see unarmed people?
I read so many times where someone is CCing and has a bad encounter with someone and ends it by showing or drawing their weapon. Why let it get that far? Wear your weapon openly and discourage the BG. Let them go somewhere else. I don't want a situation to get far enough along where I have to pull back my coat, or pull my weapon out of my pants to show it's presence. I would rather Mr. Bad Guy see my weapon now strapped to my hip, rather than let him get far enough along in his plans where I have to handle my weapon or make a special effort to draw attention to it.
I believe if this had any grounding in reality, one would have heard documented cases of the "armed guy getting it" from places where OC has been common for years.
I don't like having a shirt, coat or pocket in the way of my gun. Nor do I like looking like the rest of the unarmed masses, (i.e., a potential victim...)
If you were a crook, would you choose the room with armed people in it, or would you go somewhere else?
Would you commit a crime in the presence of someone armed, or would you go somewhere else?
Or would you prefer to see unarmed people?
I read so many times where someone is CCing and has a bad encounter with someone and ends it by showing or drawing their weapon. Why let it get that far? Wear your weapon openly and discourage the BG. Let them go somewhere else. I don't want a situation to get far enough along where I have to pull back my coat, or pull my weapon out of my pants to show it's presence. I would rather Mr. Bad Guy see my weapon now strapped to my hip, rather than let him get far enough along in his plans where I have to handle my weapon or make a special effort to draw attention to it.
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Winchester 73
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Another Urban Legend.
As sv libertarian says:
Prove it,baby!
Au Contraire,you will be the last target.
CNYCacher
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"Because I am my own security guard."
"I am my family's security guard."
"Cops and security guards don't get attacked as often as guys like me and you."
packnrat
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not really....but i do support you and your people.
and yes i do have a ccw, and do.
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and yes i do have a ccw, and do.
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brighamr
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"Wouldn't the bad guy target the OC person first?"
I too would like to know where this myth came from. 9 out of 10 criminals who would "scope" out a place, would be looking for an easy target. If they see a couple guys in the establishment with guns, I don't think anyone short of a Mob Boss would rob the place. (It's just common sense, why rob an armed locale when there are so many others who have no protection?)
OC to draw attention -
The only attention I've drawn in my two years of daily OC is from people who are interested in my gun or the possibility of carrying themselves. I calmly and politely tell them why I do, and how it's legal. I personally know of two people who are now gun owners do to our conversations that started from them seeing my sidearm.
OC while drinking -
If you can't handle liquor you shouldn't have a gun, open or concealed. If you are like a lot of people, who can drink responsibly and only take one drink while talking to your buddies for a couple of hours, I see no problem. The only caveat is that some states (mine included) wont allow you to carry concealed or otherwise in an establishment that sells and allows consumption of alcohol on the premises.
This is the same point as DUI, IMO. If you can have one beer and drive without breaking the law, you should be able to have one beer and OC without breaking the law. Most court cases I've seen where someone crashed a car, they only mention alcohol if they can prove the person was over the legal limit. I think this would be the same thing in a self defense case.
Carrying an empty holster - this is also a regular part of my routine. Any time I go into a bar, stop by the post office or enter any other federal building my sidearm stays in the glove department of my truck, but I don't take my holster/belt off. I've had a couple people working in federal buildings who asked me about it, and I explained that until we can change the laws we will abide by them.
Why even carry concealed?
there are a few reasons why I occasionally carry concealed, but they are few and far in between. i think open and concealed both have value, but neither should be looked upon in a bad light. It's kind of like the debate between using an AR15 or a Remington Hunting Rifle chambered in .223. Many people will say the AR15 just "draws attention", "isn't needed", etc. BUT we the people can have both, and we should fight for both and use both as a means of keeping ALL of our rights. If the general populace of gun owners decided that hunting gophers with an AR is "too risky", they would probably be banned again.... kind of the same thing with OC IMHO.
/speech of the week
I too would like to know where this myth came from. 9 out of 10 criminals who would "scope" out a place, would be looking for an easy target. If they see a couple guys in the establishment with guns, I don't think anyone short of a Mob Boss would rob the place. (It's just common sense, why rob an armed locale when there are so many others who have no protection?)
OC to draw attention -
The only attention I've drawn in my two years of daily OC is from people who are interested in my gun or the possibility of carrying themselves. I calmly and politely tell them why I do, and how it's legal. I personally know of two people who are now gun owners do to our conversations that started from them seeing my sidearm.
OC while drinking -
If you can't handle liquor you shouldn't have a gun, open or concealed. If you are like a lot of people, who can drink responsibly and only take one drink while talking to your buddies for a couple of hours, I see no problem. The only caveat is that some states (mine included) wont allow you to carry concealed or otherwise in an establishment that sells and allows consumption of alcohol on the premises.
This is the same point as DUI, IMO. If you can have one beer and drive without breaking the law, you should be able to have one beer and OC without breaking the law. Most court cases I've seen where someone crashed a car, they only mention alcohol if they can prove the person was over the legal limit. I think this would be the same thing in a self defense case.
Carrying an empty holster - this is also a regular part of my routine. Any time I go into a bar, stop by the post office or enter any other federal building my sidearm stays in the glove department of my truck, but I don't take my holster/belt off. I've had a couple people working in federal buildings who asked me about it, and I explained that until we can change the laws we will abide by them.
Why even carry concealed?
there are a few reasons why I occasionally carry concealed, but they are few and far in between. i think open and concealed both have value, but neither should be looked upon in a bad light. It's kind of like the debate between using an AR15 or a Remington Hunting Rifle chambered in .223. Many people will say the AR15 just "draws attention", "isn't needed", etc. BUT we the people can have both, and we should fight for both and use both as a means of keeping ALL of our rights. If the general populace of gun owners decided that hunting gophers with an AR is "too risky", they would probably be banned again.... kind of the same thing with OC IMHO.
/speech of the week
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