Want a small 32!?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Lokichoki, May 20, 2021.

  1. GeoDudeFlorida

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    The 115gr. WFN bullets from Meister's are hell on anything smaller than a pig in a .32-20 or .32H&R at serious speeds. I use Unique for full power loads in each. Won't say how much - you know what you're doing at a reloading bench better than me, I figure - but I mostly use them for cans and teaching youngsters how to shoot "serious handguns." Occasionally - very, very rarely- the .32-20 from my 5" Smith HE gets deployed for nasty critters that get aggressive instead of leaving peaceably after a discouraging shout and a shot of water from the garden hose. ;)
     
  2. Paladin7

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    I'm thinking the same as you... I like the 32 H&R, and think it would make an excellent flat shooting woods gun. I was thinking more in terms of a Ruger Super Single Six in 32 H&R Magnum with a 5.5 or 6.5" barrel which would be perfect to get the most from this cartridge. The 32 H&R is very efficient, has plenty of power out to 100 yards with the right combination of bullet and powder, low recoil and low SD. Perfect for small game. I'm not a fan of the 327 and would prefer a dedicated 32 H&R for this purpose.

    I don't think the various snubs in this caliber are a good choice for this purpose. Sight radius is too short and there isn't enough barrel length for this cartridge to shine.

    It would be interesting to have further discussion on this. I'd like to know what others think about it.
     
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  3. GeoDudeFlorida

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    My wife has one of the older Taurus snubbies in .32H&R - ported, for no particular reason - and likes it for close-in work - paper, cans, and such - but not as much as a .38Spl DS because of the porting. I have a 5-1/2" Vaquero in .32H&R with fixed sights and Ruger's BH grip. It's fine for ringing steel plates, looks and feels great, but doesn't have the range needed for small game hunting. I agree a mid-length, adjustable sight, handy DA/SA in .32H&R - rugged enough for a woods gun but smooth enough for longer-range accuracy, out to at least 50 yards - has a market. Charter is selling their "Professional" at a good pace but the reviews on it's accuracy, QC and durability are still mixed, at best. I use a .32-20 for what you guys are talking about - vermin and varmints past the 100 foot line - and I think as long as there are ancient but still useful .32-20's rattling around out there no major player is going to make anything that competes with an old Hand Ejector, Official Police or Police Positive in that venerable old cartridge. For one, nobody today can match the quality of craftsmanship of those old guns at close to that price-point.
    It might be worth talking to an industry insider, if you know one. I don't and I don't think Ruger, Smith or Colt is listening right now, anyways. A Ruger SP101 6", adjustable sight, 6-shot, short-cylinder .32Magnum with a good, hand-filling hunting grip. Unfortunately, if they made it, it would have to be in .327Federal because, you know, "the coolness," and it would have to have one of those fiber optic front sites - again, because they're all about "the coolness." Gun rag writers love coolness and gun rags sell guns.
     
  4. mnrivrat

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    I respectfully question that as I don't see the failure of a .32 H&R to take small game up to the distances one would normally hunt what I consider small game (rabbits & tree rats mostly). I do like the idea of picking up an older S&W HE - K frame in .32-20 as I like the caliber. I sold mine a few years back as I can no longer go afield hunting. I do have a few old S&W I-frames in .32 S&W long that I would consider very adequate for small game. I also carry a Taurus M731 Total Titanium (no ports) with a 2" barrel. For its barrel length I have found it an accurate gun capable of small game at 25 yards in the hands of a practiced shooter.
     
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  5. GeoDudeFlorida

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    The Rugers a “cowboy gun” and the fixed sights are inadequate for 50+ yards on small game. That’s just my opinion as the owner of the revolver.
     
  6. mnrivrat

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    I get it, and agree your Ruger would not fit the task well, but isn't 50+ yards an abnormally long distance for small game with a revolver ? I grew up the son of a share cropper who shot a lot of small game for the table. I used a single shot open sight .22 RF Remington Target Master but do not recall shooting much of anything beyond 30 yards with an accurate rifle (mostly head shots). I do not mean to criticize your hunting habits, it just seems a little far for taking small game in my opinion.
     
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  7. LeftyRed

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    How do you like the Boot Grip on the 327? I had the 9mm version and put a boot on it and it hurt! No one wanted to shoot it!
     
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  8. webrx
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    OK, well I tried GB, $100 1906-1908 Second Model H&R Break top in .32 S&W (short so now gotta find or make brass), not a super bargain after shipping and transfer fee, but this one was on my bucket list and now I have it

    rotates, locks up, SA, DA, couple blemishes in the nickel plating, but barrel cleaned up nice and cylinders are good.

    The fees probably make it not worth doing GB for lower end guns unless it is something you just want and can't find anywhere.

    Who knows might find a super deal one day.

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  9. GeoDudeFlorida

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    Yes, I'd say 50 yards is the longest I'd want to shoot game for the table. My grandad sharecropped before War 2 and kept a .32rimfire Stevens "Crack-shot" above the back door for grackles, rabbits, raccoons and other critters that oughtn't be in the crops or at the garbage bins. I think that's probably why my dad got soured on hunting and never bothered teaching me or going hunting with my uncles when we all went out for deer, pig, fishing and such. He had enough as a kid. Protecting crops and putting meat on the table are the business of a rifle, not a handgun anyway. The use of a handgun is for when you're not close to a rifle and bringing one along isn't practical. Just my opinion but, that's what discussion are - matters of opinion.

    The OP was asking about ranges of 100-150 feet and introduced the question about ethically hunting deer out to 30 or so yards. Hunting and protecting crops, cattle, chickens, domestic pigs, and other farm animals are also two different things. Most of the discussion has been about bunnies, critters, varmints and vermin at 100-150 feet - which is more like it, in my opinion, and that's the range the most vermin and varmint handgun shots are taken. Then again, 100 to 150 feet IS 30 to 50 yards. :) ft/3=yds. Math: It's a wonderful thing.

    For me and my awful eyesight, arthritic hands and older guns handloaded for punch, not paper, 50 yards isn't all that long a shot on anything about piggy size or smaller, if I'm just trying to keep a coyote or a Congress of buzzard from filching chickens, not hunting. Down to large hare size I'll want to be closer and frankly I'm not all that fond of wild rabbit meat so I'll probably pass - unless they're into the kitchen garden, then out comes a bang-stick.

    For a 6" .32-20 Official Police or Third Issue Hand Ejector, even with fixed sights, 30-50 yards just keeping predators and garden grubbers at bey isn't that long a range. The birds head grip and wide sight picture disqualify the Ruger, in my experience. With Single-Six style sights and hand-filling Army-style grip, it'd be fine. I dont' have one of them in .32H&R Magnum, tho. Kind of wanted one for a while but, I've got four .32-20 revolver and they're plenty for general critter range. And that is why I am recommending it to the OP versus a .327Federal. In a good, solid gun with a good grip and decent sights, handloaded to take advantage of the cartridges better qualities, yes the .32H&R Magnum is every bit the equal of the .32-20. Just my opinion. I await your educated and reasoned rebuttal. There's bound to be one. ;)
     
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  10. jstert

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    i have wanted to try 32 for awhile, but revolver prices are more insane now. so i did the next best thing, i added a 327mag barrel to my bond arms derringer (this capability is what makes the expensive, niche b.a. worthwhile). i haven’t shot magnum rounds yet but really like 32, plus a two shot, single action handgun slows the ammo burn rate.
     

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  11. jstert

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    please give us a range report when you can. the one charter arms revolver that i shot left me unhappy, and i want to like the 32mag undercoverette.
     
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  12. TTv2

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    I agree, the shipping and transfer for guns under $200 is a waste, but you're not likely going to find the exact thing you're looking for locally, especially if it's anything in .32 caliber.
     
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  13. Buckeye63

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    The boot grip is OK with the 32 H&R and alright with the 327 .. not exactly for extended range use with 327
    And the boot grip is plumb lively on my LCR357 with 357 ;- 0
     
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  14. mnrivrat

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    I can't disagree with anything you posted other than the comment regarding rabbit meat. As a educated consumer of the wild hare, and having a last name "Haas" which in High German/Prussian means Rabbit/Hare I give the wild rabbit a two thumbs up over the tree rat/squirrel for consumption. :D
     
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  15. GeoDudeFlorida

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    Cook! Cook?! Where’s my Hasenpfeffer?!

    ya had to have growed up back when kids were taught how to think, not what to think to get the reference. ;)

    ATB.
     
  16. LEP

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    Man... and all I have planned for my .32 is range practice and hopefully never, protection/defense. Never ate squirrel or hare. Picked up a excellent S&W post war HE (1952) snubbie today. Looking forward to trying it out at the range.
     
  17. mnrivrat

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    I predict you will be pleased with your purchase. I went with the .32 H&R for SD carry for a number of reasons that I will not attempt to justify in this thread. It is at the low end of what I would consider a good SD cartridge. I do however consider it adequate. .32 is a fun to shoot cartridge in .32 S&W through the .32 H&R. My brothers .327 magnum is a bit to noisy and jumpy for me. Not something big deal, but just not as pleasant and is more ear ringing loud particularly indoors. Over the years I bought a number of boxes of .32 S&W when I could find them at good prices, and clean enough to shoot. The last 5 boxes I bought were as new Winchester white box that cost me $30 a box but I figured I better grab them while I could. They have been hard to find on the shelves for some time. I have a few top breaks I enjoy shooting once in awhile. Also had been buying cheap .32 acp ammo over the years that comes in handy now as it shoots fine in my .32 H&R gun.
    Actually when I was doing gunsmithing work I bought a bit of any caliber cartridges that were cheap, and used it for test firing. Anyhow I like all .32 caliber revolvers, and tree rats are gamey and tuff unless you prepare them correctly and make stew. Bunny's are nummy rolled in flour and fried in a cast iron skillet and bacon grease.
     
  18. LEP

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    Thank you mnrivrat. New addition below. I just feel that the combination, when loaded with buffalo bore's wadcutters, seemed like the power I was really comfortable with. Really liking these steel high-quality revolvers of yesteryear. They always go bang.
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    M-31
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  20. mnrivrat

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    Great looking example !

    Another great example of a time that will remain endless. They don't really get better than these for quality S&W guns.
     
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  21. dougader

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    I love the 32's. The Ruger "Vaquerito" in my avatar was a gift to my daughter for her birthday... I do miss it sometimes!
     
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    To keep this one alive, and because we all like pictures, here is a family picture of everyone in one shot:
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    From top to bottom: S&W 30-1 .32 S&W Long; Ruger SP101 .327 Federal Magnum; Charter Arms Undercoverette .32 H&R Magnum ( I replaced the hammer with a CA DAO); S&W 31-1 .32 S&W Long
     
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    Think I'm gonna bid on this one a bit, It sure would be swell to own this for display at my home bar.
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  24. GEM

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    Hope you get it. It is neat!
     
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  25. jski

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    Have you considered the Blackhawk chambered in .30 Carbine? VERY accurate and well mannered.

    BTW, don’t let the nonsense about its report being “the loudest I’ve ever heard!” deter you. My 357s are louder.
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