Want to get into BP, need sugestions

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Awhile back my buddy bought a hawken rifle. I got to shoot it and ever since i've had the itch to get a black powder rifle. I'd like to get a traditional style rifle, but i cant find one anywhere. The 209 inline guns just dont interest me.

So, Im looking for a percussion rifle in .50 or .54 caliber for cheap. Anyone have any sugestions?
 
How much do you want to spend?
Besides cost there's barrel length, overall weight of the gun, and the barrel twist rate.
Slow twists (1 in 59" and slower) are mostly for shooting patched round balls,
medium twists (1 in 38" - 1 in 48" or so) are capable of shooting conicals and patched round balls reasonably well, and fast twist barrels ( 1 in 20" - 1 in 32") are mostly for shooting conical bullets.

Check out this thread for a few suggestions:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=430462

Cabela's sells some Investarms & Pedersoli guns and currently has a free shipping promotion, Cherry's Guns sells most Pedersoli rifles and Traditions has many sidelock percussion models.

http://www.cherrys.com/ped_prep.htm

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/

http://www.cabelas.com/home.jsp;jsessionid=RLJAJHHZN5GR5LAQBBJCCONMCAEFGIWE?_requestid=120708
 
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Im mostly interested in shooting round balls. I really like the look of the Hawken rifles so im leaning toward something that size. I'd like to find something for about 200 bucks, but i know thats not going to be easy.
 
Lyman makes some fine traditional Hawken and Kentucky style rifles. I'd like to suggest a 1:48 twist so you can shoot patched ball AND light weight conicals.

I have a Hawken Hunter Carbine from Cabelas (investarms) and I like it, but it took a while to figure out for me who had never fired a black powder rifle before I got this thing. You have to scrub the bore on the thing every other round, every third anyway, with a damp brush and mop dry. If you don't, the fouling ruins accuracy. It's a 1:24 twist rate which handles sabot pistol bullets and heavy Minie balls (conicals) just fine, but requires the between shot cleaning that patch round balls don't as the patch does the mopping. Of course, there is a lot to be said for hunting with a 385 grain 50 cal Minie, I just wish it wasn't such a pain of a routine at the range. LOL For hunting, though, with a traditional Hawken style firearm, it's hard to beat. It's light, chrome bore which never hurts, accurate, shoots HEAVY pills or the sabots the hunters seem to like with equal aplomb, and is good looking. I did make a modification that makes it a little more reliable and weather proof, though, a conversion to shoot small rifle magnum primers rather than No 11 caps. It was a cheap fix for the hangfires the thing liked to do with caps. I don't think these adapters are available any longer, though.
 
I have a Lyman and its a well built gun and quite accurate. 50 yard groups of well under 2 inches all the time, mostly quite a bit smaller than that, and I'm sure better sights and better eyes would do even better.
 
i would also say gun broker for your price range. or start hitting the gunshows.. somtimes you can find a good deal there as well. unless you are buying new .. i am not sure i would go the internet route though.. since you are not able to inspect the barrel.. someone might have cleaned up the outside.. and have a rusted and shot bore.. if you are looking for a hawken new.. cabelas is probably your best bet.. but with the starter kit.. you are looking at almost 500 bucks. like i said.. check the shows.. i have found several good deals there. .

good luck
shawn
 
My first black powder rifle was the Thompson Center Hawken. I still own it for many reasons. It is a great shooter! The quality is top notch, the wood is beautiful, and it gives me great pleasure to show it to others when they see it.
 
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