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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nightcrawler, Nov 18, 2003.

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  1. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Member

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    There have been many good movies of late, regarding the Second World War and Vietnam. Some better than others, but both conflicts have been seen on the Silver Screen many times.

    However, they weren't the only wars in which there are stories of courage, valor, and sacrifice to tell.

    You knwo what I'd like to see? I'd like to see a remake of "SGT York", done with a keen eye for historical accuracy (at the very least, giving him the M1917 Enfield instead of the M1903 Springfield). A movie that shows the horrors of trench warfare and the awful things those men endured is overdue, I think. There are many other great stories from the Great War to tell.

    Also, the Korean War seems to have been all but forgotten by Hollywood. I know there was like this one Rock Hudson flick in the 60s, but that about does it. (Except, of course, MASH, but wasn't it remarkable how much "Korea" resembled the deserts of Southern California?)
     
  2. Mike Irwin

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    Korean War flicks...

    Bridges at Toko Ri (incredibly good movie)


    Target Zero

    Pork Chop Hill (one of the best war films ever made)

    M*A*S*H

    Inchon (bad movie)

    An Annapolis Story

    The Manchurian Candidate (not strictly Korean War, but depends on it quite a bit)

    Men of the Fighting Lady

    Steel Helmet (low budget, but surprisingly good)
     
  3. Rembrandt

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    Current day (politically correct) Hollywood couldn't match the original "Sargeant York" starring Gary Cooper. They would have to inject some mindless subliminal modern day message as part of the plot. Besides, what actor could improve on Coopers performance? Can't imagine "Preacher Pyle" being played by anyone other than Walter Brennan. Great cast of actors in that movie...Ward Bond, Noah Berry, June Lockhart......Colorization of the 1941 flick would be nice.
     
  4. Steve in PA

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    One of the best war movies I've seen in the past few years was "The Lost Battalion" with Rick Shroeder.
     
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    Yup! I thought that one was excellent, although I didn't see all of it. I wish it would be rebroadcast.
     
  6. BowStreetRunner

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    if you look overseas you will find some great war flicks
    an awesome one I love is called "The Lighthorsemen"
    its about Aussie Lighthorse in Palestine, circa 1917, a really well done film, done by, predictably, Aussies
    I just watched Capitaine Conan, a French flick (yeah yeah they cant fight) but if you want a different perspective on war check this one out
    its about a French Captain fighting on the Balkan front and his unit and how they fit in with the rest of the army
    they fight Bulgarians and Red Hungarians
    I really want to see "The Winter War", a Finnish joint about the Winter War against the Soviets
    suppossed to be really really good
    BSR
     
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    I'll second The Lost Battalian. Another good WWI movie is All Quiet on the Western Front, both the 1930 original and the 1979 remake with Ernest Borgnine and Richard Thomas.
     
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    International Military Antiques, www.ima-usa.com was selling The Winter War.

    I saw the movie in a local theatre many years ago. It was shown here in conjunction with an anniversary observance. Lots of folks of Finnish extraction here.

    I knew one Soumalinen who volunteered for The Winter War, though he was an American citizen. I described the action of the flick to him, and he told me "That's pretty much how it was." He was in the hospital when the movie was here, so didn't get to see it himself. I don't know if he would have gone anyway. His experience in combat only lasted a month, but it stayed with him all his life.
     
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    Along the Aussie line, there's Gallipoli with Mel Gibson.
     
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    One of my favorite WWII films is "Cross of Iron." Great cast-James Coburn,Maximillian Schell,James Mason and great director-Sam Peckinpah.
    I also like "The Red Badge of Courage." Audie Murphy and Royal Dano and directed by John Huston.
     
  11. Nightcrawler

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    Interestingly enough, my grandfather on my dad's side fought the Russians in the Winter War (or one of the earlier wars) before emigrating to the US and getting a job in the Quincy Copper Mine.

    My dad was born in the US in 1938, so my grandfather must've fought in a war a few years before that.
     
  12. Mike Irwin

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    One of the very best war movies of all time is "The Grand Illusion."

    "Paths of Glory" is also exceptional.
     
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    "The Boys In Company C" surprisingly holds up well after all these years. Plus, you get your first film glimpse of a younger and leaner R. Lee Ermey.

    "84 Charlie Mopic" is a film that you will never forget if you were fortunate enough to see it. Unfortunately, it has yet to be transferred to DVD.

    "Battleground" was filmed almost entirely on set, but the strength of the story and performances make you forget that.

    "To Hell And Back" is a movie which actually downplays Audie Murphy's heroics during WWII - if you can believe it. As young as Murphy looks in the film, you should see photos of him during WWII. He looks no older than 15.

    "The Big Red One" is Director Sam Fuller's experience during WWII put on film. Unfortunately, Fuller's original long version was never released - this would be ideal for DVD.

    The movies that I wish would be made would be a film actually about the battle for Iwo Jima ("Sand of Iwo Jima" has little to do with the titled battle). I understand Spielberg purchased the movie rights to James Bradley's "Flags of Our Fathers" (and Gene Fluckey's outstanding book about US submarines during WWII - "Thunder Below"), but it seems both projects have gone nowhere.
     
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    Paths of Glory w/ Kirk Douglas...I think he directed also
     
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    In addition to the movies listed above:

    Bravo Two Zero

    Based on Andy McNabb's book, it is the true story of a Special Air Service (the British special forces) patrol in northern Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.


    The Beast

    It's a sad commentary that Rambo III made $50 millon while this film about a Soviet tank crew lost in Afghanistan made only $160,000. Both films were released in the summer of 1988.

    The Beast was directed by Kevin Reynolds, who co-wrote Red Dawn.


    Dark Blue World

    The plot of this Czech film is cliche: two pilots in World War II fall in the love with the same woman. It's the same plot of Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor. Hell, it's the same love triangle of 1927's Wings (except Wings was set in World War I)

    I'm recommending this not because it's so much a great war movie (although the aerial combat scenes are good), but because it shows that somebody with $7 million can make a much better movie than somebody with $100 million +. Everybody who has seen both says it makes Pearl Harbor look like the P.O.S. it is.

    Upon returning to Czechoslovakia at the end of the war, the pilots who had fled to England and flew for the Royal Air Force were not welcomed as heroes, but instead imprisoned by the Communists because they had been "infected with the ideals of democracy."

    The movie takes place in 1950, with Franta Slama (the squadron leader) and Machaty (one of his pilots) in a labor camp together (along with a common thief and an S.S. doctor), with the Nazi occupation and World War II sequences being a flashback.

    http://sorry.vse.cz/~xuchj02/DarkBlue/main.shtml has some historical background that's worth reading (whether or not you ever see this movie).
     
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    Michael Collins

    A great treatment of the guerilla war against the British.
     
  17. Dr.Rob

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    Stanley Kubrick directed "Paths of Glory."

    "All Quiet on the Western Front'", both versions are pretty stark, not done with today's hollywood fast-cut style like "Lost Battalian" but very good.

    Wasn't the fisrt "Thin Red Line" with Keir Dullea and Aldo Ray a Korean war film?

    It's my understanding that Speilberg intends to make "Flags of Our Fathers," which was a great book.

    Soviet war films can be so bleak as to be unbearable, but the WW1 era epic "Battleship Potemkin" has been influencing filmmakers for 80 some years. Same goes for the director Sergei Eisenstien.

    "Johnny Got His Gun" was a really good book, a very bad movie.

    Suprisingly, "The Razor's Edge" was pretty good in explaining the horrors of war and the birth of the "lost generation." It's a better book, but still a good film.

    It should be of no suprise that WW1 was so devastating, few studios wanted to depict war, even in a negative light for a long time.

    Another overlooked film: "Breaker Morant" an Aussie film about the Boer war.
     
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    I'd like to see one made on the Chosin Reservoir fight.
    Anyone know of an existing film?
     
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    My father's favorite movie was always Doctor Zhivago (sp?), which (I think) is about the Russian Revolution.

    I can see where Soviet war films might be pretty bleak; the Russians have an incredibly tragic history, if you read up on it, and they've been slaughtered by one madman after another for a very long time.
     
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    Gallipoli with a twist. Focuses on Billy Singh (sometimes spelled Sing) the famous Australian sniper with over 100 Turks to his credit. :)
     
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    Unless they came here seperately after getting married (maybe your grandfather had to finish his military service, while his wife was pregnant?)



    No relation.
     
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    The ORIGINAL Thin Red Line with Ker Dullea & Jack Warden is one of the BEST war movies of all time.

    On DVD it's usually less than $10.
     
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    Nightcrawler,

    The "Winter War" between Finland and the Soviet Union occurred from November 1939 to March 1940.


    The original Thin Red Line was also about Guadalcanal
     
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    So I know. I do believe there was another war between Russia and Finland? Did Imperial Russia attack Finland during the Great War? My dad was quite clear that this was well before the 2nd World War (as my grandfather was already in America then).

    EDIT:

    Ah, here we go. Finland was PART of Russia until the Communist Revolution. Finland declares independence on December 6th, 1917, and a war between the Reds and Whites ensues.

    I'm guessing that that's the war that my grandfather fought in. My father told me it was World War One.
     
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    "Did Russia attack Finland during the Great War..."

    Well, had they done so, the Russians would have been attacking their own colony.

    Finland declared its independence from Russia on December 6, 1917, after the collapse of the Czars.

    The Bolshevicks recognized the independence of the new Finnish state on December 31, 1917.

    Your Grandfather may, however, have been involved in the ensuing Finnish Civil War, which broke out between factions of White and Red Russians and their supporters.

    The Finnish Government won the war, and guaranteed Finland's independence, with the assistance of troops from Germany.


    Whoops, I should have read your entire message before I posted all of the stuff about Finland's civil war... :)

    I had a professor in college, Madam Bogojavensky (or something like that). Amazing woman. Spoke Russian, Finnish, Swedish, Danish, French, Italian, German, and English fluently, and I believe had more than a passing knowledge of Dutch, Spanish, and Latin.

    She was a distant, but direct, descendent of the Romanovs. Her Father was a lesser prince and administrator in Finland when the Reds took over.
     
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