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WARNING; Hornady Critical Duty +P 9x19mm recall.....

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  1. RustyShackelford

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    note;
    www.GunsAmerica.com posted a notice from Hornady saying there is a factory safety recall for some lots of Critical Duty +P 9mm(9x19mm).
    The ammunition is unsafe & may damage your 9mm firearm.
    The factory says the 9mm rounds were manufactured from June 05 2014 to July 14 2014. The factory item # for the Critical Duty +P 9mm 135gr is: 90226. It's marked on the Hornady package.
    Hornady is aware of the problem & is working to correct it. You can contact the firm directly for refunds/replacements etc.

    If you own or carry any of these 9mm rounds, check the box if you can. If you work in a gun shop or sporting goods store, advise your staff or manager.

    Rusty

    Moderator Note: The Direct Link to the recall from Hornady is http://www.hornady.com/in-the-news/latest-news/product-recall-lot-3141635.
     
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  2. CPLofMARINES

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    Thank you Rusty, Hornady is a first class company and
    there is no doubt this will be resolved immediately.
     
  3. RussellC

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    Thanks for the heads up. I have several boxes of this, and my local range has a ton of it! I'll check my lot numbers.

    Russellc
     
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    I understand that most, if not all, manufacturer's have a disclaimer, stating that they will not be responsible for ruined firearms or personally injury. But when the manufacturer admits that their is a serious problem, and the defective ammunition has been recalled, are they ultimately liable for injury and ruined firearms?

    Even though i don't shoot factory, thanks just the same for the heads up.

    GS
     
  6. gun_with_a_view

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    That must be some good 9mm ammo outside this one lot. Interesting to note the non-plus P version penetrated heavy cloth/gelatin in the FBI test by 15 inches, same as the +P Critical Duty. That bodes well for semi autos restricted by the manufacturer to non +P.
     
  7. RustyShackelford

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    Isolated incident....

    I have about 20 rounds of Critical Duty .45acp +P I got in the fall of 2013. I use it in my Glock 21 gen 04. I like the brand. The nickel cases are good & it's available in many areas. ;)
    I hope this 9mm +P problem is a isolated incident. :uhoh:
    Hornady is going to need to step up the QC.
    I was looking into Federal HST bonded +P 230gr but it's rare too. :mad:
    I did see a source for Ranger T/T Series in 9x19mm & .45acp. I like the Ranger T design but I've seen many + reviews of the HST in .45acp.
    Corbon's DPX is powerful for carry or defense but the price is steep. :uhoh:

    Rusty
     
  8. Trent

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    Edit;

    I thought this was the ammo I used, but I've got 115gr FTX in my carry gun right now.
     
  9. Trent

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    Dang. That's a serious frigging round.
     
  10. RussellC

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    They likely would be liable anyway. Such statements are merely contracts of adhesion, and are rarely enforceable. Like in the grocery store parking lot, when the sign says "not responsible for dents from shopping carts left unattended" and so forth. For such a statement/contract to be enforceable, it must pass defenses to formation. This usually concerns whether both parties are dealing "at arms length"...did you have a chance to negotiate, or is this just some boiler plate you had no part in bargaining for? Was there a meeting of the minds? When you made the purchase, did you fully understand and accept these terms? And if not, back to the first item, where you able to bargain with the terms? Just like cigarettes have had warning for years, they still got the stuffing sued out of them! They are doing the recall because they are stand up, and either want you to have a good product, or limiting their liability by recalling defective ammo.

    As to the post saying "too light or no load" you are not thinking clearly. What if you are a law enforcement person and the failure to fire causes you to be killed or seriously maimed? Liability, or at least defending an expensive lawsuit could certainly be within the realm of possibility. Maybe I misinterpreted what you are saying, and you meant exactly that, that the fail to fire could get someone killed in a law enforcement/ self defense situation? At first, I thought you were being sarcastic about the round being harmless so how could anyone be hurt? Rereading your statement, I think I was wrong?

    I have 2 boxes of Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain +P ammo, but not of that lot number. I have #90225 It is great ammo!

    Russellc
     
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    And everyone buys premium ammo to prevent just this. This is not good news.
     
  12. Trent

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    This is the precise reason why, in my concealed carry classes, I say "buy enough premium ammo to make sure it works in YOUR gun, AND shoot a few random rounds from each box, to make sure they all have powder in them."

    If you're going to rely on something to save your life, you owe it to yourself to at LEAST do some QC of your own, and check the lot out.

    I buy ~150 rounds, shooting 100 to ensure 100% function, and then spot check 3-4 rounds out of each subsequent box, loading the rest for self defense.

    Yes, expensive, but peace of mind is a good thing.

    (No, I don't recommend carrying reloads, as I have seen too many novice and experienced reloaders alike do stupid things from time to time, myself included...)
     
  13. RustyShackelford

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    I agree....

    I too, advise using factory produced pistol rounds. ;)
    I've shot reloads that were "well made" that turned out awful. I've also had misfires & duds.
    Not everyone who reloads or sells reloaded rounds has top quality.
    Some recent ammunition firms have left a lot to be desired in terms of QC or production too.
    I got a 25 round box of Golden Saber 185gr +P JHP from a small gun shop in NW Pennsylvania in 2013 that was sub-standard. The .45acp loads cost me $28.00 USD too. :mad:
    The big push for guns & rounds in late 2012/2013 was one thing. With ammunition factory shifts going "24/07/365" :uhoh: & staff working 12-16 hours a day, but now it's 08/2014. Those firms should level off by now or at least hired-trained more employees.
    The NSSF, SAAMI, etc need to address this problem.
    Hunters, target shooters, LE & security officers, and gun owners need to know the products are safe & well made.


    Rusty
     
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    Though it would be interesting to know the defect rate of Hornady, it does not matter in this context. Regardless of how good a manufacturer is, there will always be a problem. The issue in manufacturing is not an issue of IF problems occur, it is always an issue of WHEN problems occur. The BIG difference in a good company and a bad company is how well they deal with a problem, when the problem arises.

    Best,
    Rabid
     
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    From the Hornady web site:

    On Thursday, Hornady Mfg Company recalled one (1) lot of 9mm 135 gr +P Critical Duty™ ammunition, Item #90226, Lot #3141635.

    According to the Nebraska-based ammo maker, ballistic experts “have determined that cartridges from Lot #3141635 may exhibit light or no powder charges.”

    It further notes that “use of this product may result in firearm damage and or personal injury.”

    The lot of ammo was shipped between June 5 and July 16, 2014. For questions on the recall, one can phone them directly, 800-338-1242.
     
  16. RussellC

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    true that! This time I fired a few from the box just to see how they would function, but still it could have been the next round that was faulty...at least they caught it and fessed up quick...
     
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    I ordered 2 boxes from SGammo about a week ago. I recieved it and the lot number on my boxes are different, they are not 3141635. However, the product number is 90226. Since my lot numbers don't match those of the recalled boxes, am I good to go? Or does the product number also fall under the recall?
     
  18. ugaarguy

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    ChCx, the recall only applies to the lot number of the product. They include the product number to prevent confusion between the different versions of a product that have similar descriptions.
     
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    I ordered a couple of 50 round boxes of 9mm +P critical duty from SGAmmo.com. But my part number is #90225. Is the part number different for a box of 25 rounds compared to a 50 round box? Also, doesn't SGAmmo.com only sell 50 round boxes?
     
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  20. RustyShackelford

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    HST....

    I plan to buy a new 50rd box of Federal HST 230gr JHP +P for my Glock 21.
    It will be my security duty load for now. I like the Critical Duty line but I'm not going to buy any for right now. The HSTs have great ballistics & I want to see how they go in my Glock 21 gen 04. I see SGammo.com offers different sizes of rounds 20/25/50/100/etc. It may depend on the caliber also.

    As noted, if you have any questions about the Hornady boxes, just contact them.
     
  21. Ritchie

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    Weighing carry rounds

    I now weigh all my carry rounds. A "pocket" size digital scale is adequate for this. The powder charge for a 9mm will be in the neighborhood of 5 grains or so-any variation from the run that approaches this is grounds for suspicion.
     
  22. RustyShackelford

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    Not bad....

    I started to inspect or check each round when I buy a new box just to make sure there are no surprises. ;)
    I got a "range grade" bag of 230gr FMJ rounds at a rental range place. A few of the .45 bullets looked poorly made. :rolleyes:

    As a teen, I read a GI Joe comic where a older team member advised a new "Joe" to check each 5.56mm milspec round in his M16A2 chamber to make sure it seated properly. If the 5.56mm was bad or bulged a bit, he said do not use it. The Marvel writers used a lot of military veterans & tech advisors so I'm sure this may have came from a 11B soldier, ;).

    Rusty
     
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    Thanks for the heads-up.
     
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    Thanks

    Thanks Rusty--would never have known-- hen I get home _ I hope none of my defense ammo by hornaday is this lot--sheesh!!!:eek:
     
  25. RustyShackelford

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    No problem....

    No problem.
    Id suggest to any THRer or gun owner to keep the box or boxes of the handgun ammunition and maybe the sales slip if you purchased it local until after you go to the range.
    Many brands not just Hornady are having big QC problems.
    Let these firms; Corbon, Federal, Remington, Winchester, etc know about these issues.

    Stay safe & enjoy the shooting sports!
    :D

    Rusty
     
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