WARNING on SWFA

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I don't know if you know much about HOTBUYS. But these people do.

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1938-p1.html

Please take the time to read the 27 comments from their customers.

This place is one of the most notorious scam operations out there. Contact any one of the companies who's product they sell and ask them about them. Also research what "grey market" means.

Chris
SWFA, Inc.
 
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SWFA is a sponsor and supporter of my home site www.rimfirecentral.com.. In the 4 years I have been there I have never seen one negative post concerning SWFA.Really,all I ever read are kudos to Chris and everyone else there.A first class group.I went to hotbuys.I didn't see any scopes for firearms there.Did I miss something?
 
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I have ordered several things from those folks and always got what I ordered and paid for!
 
1911- I just checked the Hotbuys site and it turns out they can't beat SWFA's Leupold prices...because they don't even carry Leupold.
 
You might be right art!

I do feel that there is a huge differance in the Leica prices.Almost $200 differance per optic.And the ones I just ordered the other day are leica usa!I save almost $500 bucks on two binos and a range finder.

taking a closer look I cked with natchez,a very good source for optics.

Here is the price list they gave me.Its almost 10-15% cheaper than swfa!

45242 $349
45245 $384
49209 $376
42910 $376
45248 $373
45251 $386
46412 $397
45806$436
45158 $449
45170 $449
48501 $449

I am sure If I spent some more time looking around I could find you some more comparisons.I just hope more consumers will do thier homework.
 
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I have bought and traded from/with both SWFA and BearBasin.com several times and have never had any issue from either of them. Regardless of your name loyalties, Weaver Grand Slam scopes are every bit as bright, clear and reliable as Leupold VariX III scopes at a price point comparable to the VariX IIs. Leupold is worried about this. Representatives from both companies as well as one local gunshop have confirmed this. Leupold can say or write anything about resellers that they chose to and it is nothing more than a poor reflection of a company that is obviously worried about competition from Weaver and they are trying to protect their high volume, big dollar resellers. Plain and simple.

The Leupold warranty is 'If you have a Leupold scope with something wrong with it, we'll fix it.' Great warranty and great service. How could they decide not to warranty a few particular scopes? Unless they are known to be stolen and surely you aren't trying to insinuate that SWFA and BearBasin seem to have a very large inventory of stolen scopes from many manufacturers, are you WildAlaska? That would be even more libelous than your original post.
 
I know Chris, have been to his shop prior to its relocation.
Been to the new shop. The crew there is top notch, inventory and selection is phenominal.

Some folks do like to tear down the sucessful rather than attempt the climb to their level...............must be Democrats............


Hey Chris,
When we gonna test more replacements for "that" scope?
 
Mike,

We experienced a little down time on "the scope" due to some unforseen circumstances. We are back on track now. Should have two ready to destroy before Spring. I have your e-mail address and will most definately get you one to torture soon.

Chris Farris
SWFA, Inc.
 
I bought a Weaver scope for my 10/22 last year from SWFA, off their website. I thought the price was fair, the product was as advertised, and it came in a timely fashion. I would not hesitate to buy another scope from them.
 
Still waiting to buy a scope from SWFA...

The only thing that's kept me from doing so is the fact that they ran out of the Tasco SS 10x series. :(
 
Hmmmm-
I've purchased much from SWFA. Thousands, I'd venture. (And all this long before I even knew the name "Chris Farris"; much before they became a household name in our internet circles). For my money, they've always been to optics what Georgia Arms is to ammo: Quality Products and Service. Excellent prices.

"Non-Stocking"? I guess they could be....though I don't see how since we've received some of our orders the day after placing, regular USPS! I've also purchased "SHOT Show demo's" of Leica binos and other items.... never been disappointed.

In short, these guys aren't cutting corners. They're the Real Deal, IMHO.
Rich
 
Wildalaska,
I understand your frustration but the thread title here boards on that of an attack. SWFA has ample support from their customers as in providing both quality products and good customer service. Also, they are not the only vender to sell well below retail.

Once a Manufacture sells to a distributor that manufacture has NO influence at all in controlling the “discounting†type venders. The large Distributors purchase in bulk with offers too good for most makers to turn down. They in turn sell to near anybody. For the large distributor it is just a numbers game. Likewise; they do not report who they sell to back to the manufacture. Their thinking here is that if they do then the manufacture may end run around them. Distributors simply do not hand out this information. In short if a Manufacture sells through distributors it is impossible for that manufacture to know who is and is not buying from those “authorized†distributors.

A manufacture cannot set a venders price. However; if a manufacture identifies a dealer who is selling too low they can cease to sell to that particular vender. They do not have to sell to anyone that they do not want to. This is the only way a manufacture can influence the retail price range.

By introducing distributors into the mix the manufacture gives up any control as to who or how or for what their product will sell for.

Again; I understand your frustration but your complaint is not with SWFA but rather the manufacture. It is the manufactures responsibility to protect their dealers NOT the end users.
 
I've had good service with SWFA.

Purchased a scope for my wife's rifle, but before receiving the scope, she decided that she wanted a different rifle. I ended up with a new rifle for me and one for her, but the scope was all wrong. I needed a lighter scope in matt-silver. I called SWFA and they told me to send the original scope back and they would send me what I needed. They credited my account and all was done in short order. Purchased other scopes from them and have been satisfied.

I bet that SWFA scopes are covered by Leopold warranty. I know that mine have had cards. Also, Leopold would not want someone to buy one of their scopes and not be able to obtain warranty service. It would really hurt their sales. As an example, many folks buy grey-market Canon gear. Canon USA will honor the warranty rather than get a bad rep.
 
They do kinda resemble the SS scopes a little..... don't they?;)

But check out those knobs. Looks like the ones off the B&L tactical.

The scopes pictured have been under development for several years. They will be the first of their kind when brought to market. The ruggedness of these scopes borderlines ridiculous and is off the scale when compared to others. Many new tests have been developed to test these scopes.

:confused: As for what they are, you will have to wait. But I assure you it will be worth it.

Chris Farris
SWFA, Inc.
 
Thanks for the "warning": I'm not a SWFA customer, but based on the loyalty they've earned from their customers, my next scope(s) will be purchased from them.

Unintended consequences are a bear, eh?
 
SWFA problem

My only problem with SWFA is that they wouldn't accept a return on a scope that arrived broken. Not broken as in UPS guy crushed it, but broken elevation adjustment. My mistake for not being in town when the scope arrived, so I missed out on the window period to return it to them. I just wanted a replacement, they said "no, send it back to the manufacturer". Problem was, manufacturer went out of business in the time between the scope being ordered and problem being discovered. I understand their (SWFA) not wanting to take a loss, but here it is almost a year later and I am still scopeless. My scope was first sent to Tasco because I was unaware of their impending bankruptcy, then transferred to ABO, botched further by ABO, returned to ABO, then lost. I am out of a scope at this point and have been offered a mere $100 by ABO in compensation for a $300 scope.

I would not buy a Tasco, I would not buy from SWFA, and I would not use ABO for repair work again.

JM
 
I have tried to warn people about tasco for years and it still falls on deaf ears.
 
Come on johnnymenudo. Tell the whole story.

E-mail me your real name and zip code so I can look into this and post our side of the story. There is always two sides ya know.

Are you the guy that bought a CU840x56M and tried to return it over a year later (broken)?

If nothing else I am glad that this topic got you to become a member and post your first post as it did me also.

Chris Farris
[email protected]
RifleScopes.com
 
Follow up

Chris,

I didn't contact you for a return until the scope was in my possession for a month. You enforced your written 10 day return policy and I can't fault you for that. Where I am disappointed is that I would have thought that you would at least make an exchange for me for another Tasco scope. But as you said to me on the phone, you were dealing with major amounts of Tasco inventory and you were taking a major hit when they went belly up.

I would be happy to contact you by e-mail when I am at home as I cannot use the work e-mail to do this.

JM
 
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