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I think you acted irresponsibly in a number of ways:
Meeting the guy after getting a death threat
starting a car chase through a neighborhood
not calling police earlier


Listen, here is the deal the cops pull you over after you are in a car chase, there is one car that has crashed and you have what they would term as an "arsenal" in your trunk. You KNOW how the uninformed feel about AK47's you knew you had these weapons in your trunk and you gave every gun owner a bad name. You ripped through a neighborhood, with an "assault weapon", got into a car chase, and caused a car accident, all over a video game system. This is how it looks to the outside world, in fact it looks like you wanted to be IN a video game to the outside world. If I was the officer on scene my first thought after putting together the cars, car accident and the weapons is that this was a drug deal gone bad...and I would be worried for my safety too! Try to remember that you represent all gun owners when carrying or traveling with guns, try not to act like a drunk reckless teenager next time.
 
I can only echo the sentiments of so many who have posted above.

Thank God that I'm not in my late teens / early 20's anymore ... no offense to the people in that age bracket but trust me ... you get really really really really stupid during those years. +1 to JLStorm
 
Poor judgement and stupidity with guns, especially "evil" AKs, is not what we (law abiding gun owners) need at this time. Imagine what the media would have done with this story if there were shots fired or worse, during this little episode.

My vote is for you selling your guns until you educate yourself on the gun laws in your State, and grow up.
 
Staying High Road.

Looking at your post, there are a number of things that you may want to consider. As others have said, I am NOT a lawyer, and the laws of various states differ. However, I have some experience with some incidents not of my own creation. Looking at your post, I may have done a few things differently:


The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him.


Call Police NOW.

My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Uhm... you don't meet with people that have threatened to kill you. If they have shown the character that they would threated you life over a video game, do you really think they will be honorable on any level?

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet.

Considering that you DID choose to meet with these people, this is the point you should be calling 911-- not AFTER something has happened. My first job out of college was a collections manager-- and I actually had to repo a few vehicles myself. I've been chased by angry persons. I would call 911, explain the situation and drive them straight to the police station.

We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs

I'm getting old and unhip... can anyone tell me what HIDS are? I just gotta know.

we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads,

At this point, you are now endangering innocent people's lives. You gotta think about that.

We then decide that we need to get on the freeway,

Again, cell phone and 911 probably was the better course of action.

the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

This is the caliber of person you are dealing with??? My god... such twisted logic.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

You both wrecked? Wow.

I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk.

Good.

Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

I don't like it, but I can understand the reasoning.

she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47.

I am no fan of comments like this-- even from police. I would have responded that she is welcome to her opinion, but it is irrelevant to my rights to own it. And no... I would not be rude.

She then says I have too many weapons

See above.

The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

It is irrelevant whether the guns have been fired legally-- except that they were investigating to determine if the OTHER wreck was cause due to you shooting at them.

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat.

As posted earlier, DO NOT take legal advice from the LEOs-- especially when they are investigating your incident.

Your answer that they were not a threat was good-- except one thing: If they weren't a threat enough for you to have to shoot, and they were not enough of a threat to call 911 and report what was happening, they they probably were not enough of a threat for a high speed chase and the resulting wrecks.

The best answer would have been simply "I was not going to shoot a person." Let them interpret that as they will. There is nothing that can be implied or extrapolated from that statement. From that point, you should have said NOTHING else about that. And I hope you didn't respond to the comment that the vehicle was a threat. That was an attempt to get you talking and maybe slipping up.


I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.


You'll get over it. I'd think a wreck will make you more sore than a pair of cuffs.


Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

You need to check your state laws. Know them WELL and stay within them.

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

I DO NOT advise shooting someone in another car chasing you-- moreover, I DO advise avoiding situations where people ARE chasing you in a car.


Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

Women arent' more difficult do deal with. Often they come at it from a different perspective and manner of speech. It seems so in contrast to dealing with a male cop. Rest assured, he isn't your friend when he is investigating you, either. They both will be looking for your complicity.


They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us.


I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us.

This isn't good. Were they doing something to indicate that they were taking an unusual interest in you? Were they threatening to you? You took the action of waving a AK at them based on that they MAY have been after you?

Being black is not a threat

You had the time to pull over, get it out, and load it before they were close to you? This doesn't sound like a high threat situation.


Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Again, check your local laws-- but offhand, I would choose to do that even if it is legal.


My friend, don't take offense to this, but you are making a lot of mistakes. One day, one of those mistakes is going to get you killed, kill someone else, or get you tossed in prison. I will not go so far as to say you are LOOKING for a fight, but you are doing NOTHING proactively or preventatively to insure an incident does not occur. You are choosing wreckless actions once those incidents DO occur with no real regard to public safety. At best, it is thoughtless and at worst, it is negligent.


I hope you think about the possible harm to others in the future.


John
 
JWarren said:
My friend, don't take offense to this, but you are making a lot of mistakes. One day, one of those mistakes is going to get you killed, kill someone else, or get you tossed in prison. I will not go so far as to say you are LOOKING for a fight, but you are doing NOTHING proactively or preventatively to insure an incident does not occur. You are choosing wreckless actions once those incidents DO occur with no real regard to public safety. At best, it is thoughtless and at worst, it is negligent.

As usual J, you are spot on.

Always call the cops.

Never force a confrontation.

Guns do not care about mistakes. They function with no remorse or care about the innocence or guilt of the other party. People have to live with the outcome. I highly advise you to take owning your firearms deathly serious.

There is a saying in Kendo. "Every time is the last time." In a nutshell that means that every strike must be taken seriously, blocked with conviction or delivered with power. You may not get another chance. This time maybe the last time, the time when you are presented or (more terrifingly) present an opening.

The gun is our weapon. It is a deadly instrument. It must be according respect, handled with care and carried with the gravest responsibility. Every time is the last time.
 
Clearly, mistakes were made. As evinced by the number and kind of responses here.

Next time, don't expect the boys in blue, khaki, gray, or whatever color to not handcuff you for an hour and a half when they find you've been involved in high speed chase, a single vehicle accident, and have a trunk full of weapons. They have to get to the bottom of it and make sure you aren't an unsavory character.
For all they know, you're a basque separatist, part of the LFQ, or another young guy trying to be Tony Montana.
You didn't leave a lot of room for getting yourself the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry your wrists are sore, but you really asked for it. :banghead:
 
I am not going to advocate IQ tests prior to gun sales... But the OP (yongxingfreesty) and people of his same IQ level should not be allowed to have firearms....

Utterly ridiculous.
 
A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Call the cops, for god sakes don't meet with a guy who's threatened you or your "friend". It's like thinking nothings wrong when Hannibal invites you for dinner

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

Cops should have been called before hand and you should have met in a much more public place with many people, preferably those with Law Enforcement Powers. By going with the chase method you not only put yourself in danger but any and all innocent people you come near.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

Sounds reasonable until the LEO is on the same page as everyone else

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

Umm... wait so you're saying you had 2 hand guns, an AK47 PLUS 2 others with carry pieces? Were you expecting another LA Shootout? C'mon man that's almost pegging the BS meter

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

Yet? You were expecting to fire these weapons?

Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

Again, I see no issues with this

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

Vehicle is a deadly weapon

I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

You're lucky you're not dead

After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

2 car crash, cops and wreckers... Probably rubber neckers that you brandished a weapon at. You might have "Felt" threatened, but that just puts you into an alert mode.. I'd suggest a refresher safety course, review of state laws regarding your firearms and a step back to evaluate common sense. If none of this appeals to you, please sell your firearms, the anti's do not need more ammuniton against us
 
Sorry - but this post has gotta be a troll - even with his post count If it isn't - then I am sorry - but you should not have a CHL. You are not responsible enough.

You are going to do something stupid one day and hurt someone.

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Only read the first couple of replies. At first, the girlfriend who was going to meet alone wanted to meet in an empty mall parking lot that is very dark. We told her to meet somewhere with more people like the gaststation where lots of people fill up.

I'm just glad no one got hurt and yes I wasn't thinking too much.

Yes, I am not suppose to meet with people. The reason my friend wanted to give him his money back was because

1. He had his license plates and knew his cell phone number. I know people that can get my address by just the plates, didn't want the original buyer to come to his house to shoot up the place.

This was going to be settled if the girlfriend came alone, would have been cash and ps3 and exchanged/refunded. They decided to come together, the boyfriend being a threat and not the girlfriend.
 
Did I just fart, or does the OP stink to high heaven?

Somebody is a poster child for who shouldn't have a CCW.

K
 
My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

You know how that sounds to them? I hear this from anybody and the alarms start going off. You'll rip them off on a PS3 and insist on meeting a girl, alone, in a semi-private place, with your buddy in the car too. I figure any person that'll cheat me will do worse given the chance. Just a bit from their perspective.

You don't know how lucky you are right now. I'd take some time to think of all the ways things could have happened, and what the chances are that in a series of foolish acts any one could have changed your life forever, and for the worse.

Long guns are fine in TX, it's handguns that can get you in trouble. Even then, if it was another county having guns in your car is considered travelling, it's just that Harris is a bad place to try that.
 
Well it didnt come down to OK Corral ... but the next time please take Doc Halliday along with you, or at least a couple of more guns.

:rolleyes:
 
No way Afy, I only ride with folks who know the law and take responsibility for the freedoms they have been granted by our constitution.
 
At the very least, I would strongly recommend (to the original poster) that when you go to sell a gun, you advertise in a better part of town or in a nicer magazine. And when a potential buyer calls, if they sound like rif-raff, hang up. There will be more buyers. Also, you really ought to do the transaction at a gun store and just pay the fee for the NICS background check on the buyer if you don't know them...or call the non-emergency police line and give them the buyer's address and ask if there is "a history" associated with that address.

Other than that, I'm with El Teton on this one...could go on for hours.
This story sounds like "super ninja Hong Kong phooey" or something.
 
Next time use EBay:neener:

Is this post part of your multi-media Manafesto:what: . Did you really need to "ARM UP" and get into a possible shootout, over a sale of a PS3. Your really lucky you were only handcuffed for 1.5 hours and not thrown in a jail.
 
Yup, I am lucky for that and I know it. I knew I wasn't going to jail from the start. All I can do is learn from this and listen to the older crowd.

Thanks
 
When confrounted by hostiles, I call 911 and drive to the nearest police station. Let the police know what vehicle you're in and a description of the vehicle and people in it. 9 of 10 times they will be waiting out front ready to help. Let them know you were threatened. You know they have the gun you sold them.

I'm not sure of Texas Laws but I wouldn't shoot out of a moving car.

As far as the police and the number of guns you have... IT'S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. If they are all legally owned by you and not fired just ignore the comment as it was ignorant.

The other guys in the car might have been looking to jack you for your guns. interesting how they leave when you show your AK.
 
Only read the first couple of replies. At first, the girlfriend who was going to meet alone wanted to meet in an empty mall parking lot that is very dark. We told her to meet somewhere with more people like the gaststation where lots of people fill up.

I'm just glad no one got hurt and yes I wasn't thinking too much.

Yes, I am not suppose to meet with people. The reason my friend wanted to give him his money back was because

1. He had his license plates and knew his cell phone number. I know people that can get my address by just the plates, didn't want the original buyer to come to his house to shoot up the place.

This was going to be settled if the girlfriend came alone, would have been cash and ps3 and exchanged/refunded. They decided to come together, the boyfriend being a threat and not the girlfriend.

Please.. please sell your guns, and get into another hobby (maybe video games) You do all gun owners a disservice by owning firearms. Do yourself and the gun rights community a favor and get rid of them.
 
HID - High Intensity Discharge lamps. You know those annoying purplish lights that jerks like to drive behind you at night with.


Thanks GlockFan. I hate those things.


My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.


I don't know the guy, and everything indicates that he is a nut job. However, there is NO WAY I would let my wife meet ANYONE alone. You shouldn't really expect him to either.

I watch too much Cold Case Files.


John
 
HIDs are "high-intensity-discharge" lights. IE the bluish, bright headlights you see on many newer cars. Also known as Xenon headlights.

I wonder what year of A4...if 1996-01, shame that there's another B5 off the road. If 2002-2005, no wonder the guy was such a loser, B6s are lame :p "Turbo..." hah. It makes 170hp stock to move a 3500lb car. However, with modifications they can easily make above 350 HP.

For reference, I drive a '97 and am about to pick up an '01.
 
One thing I always found interesting about the Xeon High Intensity lights is the only place I ever saw them in large numbers is when I lived in larger cities like Orlando, FL. They were EVERYWHERE there. The BMW Z3 I used to have came with them.

The reason I found it odd is that I could forget to turn on my lights there, and still get home with perfect visiblity due to all the street lights.

Now, living out in the country where night is actually DARK, you never see them on cars. Seems like we ought to have them as a necessity more than we needed them in the city.

One thing I realized I missed so much living in cities was actually seeing stars in the sky-- instead of that sickly pink ambient glow.

Oh, I also like being able to pee off my front porch. :D


John
 
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