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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by colt.45, Sep 19, 2007.

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  1. colt.45

    colt.45 Member

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    I see all of these people at the range and even on this forum wasting money(in my mind) lets see if anyone can help me figgure out why.

    Why would anyone have a .243 deer rifle? Its a stupid waste of money. The whole "deer rifle" concept angers me to no extent. and heres why!

    my friend's uncle has a few rifles and hunts every now and then. he has a marlin 336 in 30-30, a 30-06 rem700, and an ar-15. i went to visit him last week and he started talking about an elk hunting trip in montana with his buddies. he said that he needed a new rifle for the trip.

    this brings me back to my point. a .243 deer rifle will do many things other than kill deer! it will infact kill alot of other thingd and you dont need to buy a ten diffrent rifles for specific hunting niches. you could get an accurate rem700 ltr and go hunt everything from prarie dog to black bear, and possibly even grizzly!!! im tired of seeing brainwashed, dumb hunters that think a .243 is THE only cartridge for deer. they make me look bad!

    can i hear an amen?
     
  2. Bartkowski

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    Well a .243 kills deer, and anything smaller, so it has more than one purpose. a 30-06 will easily take elk and smaller, some use it on moose, but when you are trying to shoot very far on a very small animal, it isn't ideal. Also, I don't know if you have ever seen a coyote or smaller animal shot with a 30-06 with quickly expanding bullets, it tears the animal up and the fur is in poor poor condition. But I do know what you mean about lots of people using a .243 for deer, it is a little small for large deer, although it will do the job.
     
  3. DiN_BLiX

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    243 is a popular round for YOUTH rifles. If I had a choice of only 1 hunting rifle it would be a 30-06, it will drop just about everything on the continent.
     
  4. iamkris

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    #1 -- If this is making you so upset, I think you need more things to get angry about
    #2 -- why are you so worried that people are "wasting money" by buying more guns. What's wrong with people wanting another gun? What wrong with people wanting guns for specific purposes?

    I have over 85 guns in my collection (last time I bothered to count)...each has its own purpose...many overlap in what they could do, but that doesn't mean I don't like having them for the specific purpose for which I acquired them.

    Count this as an anti-amen
     
  5. igpoobah

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    No you cannot get an amen. :D Everybody wastes $$ ON SOMEthing. What they choose is their choice. He obviously doesn't feel like it is a waste. Besides, you can't have too many guns.:neener:
     
  6. trueblue1776

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    Some guys have five grand worth of golf clubs and an ugly wife, to each his own.

    But, for the record, I'm a cheap bastard too.
     
  7. Car Knocker

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    Way I see it, it's THEIR money, not yours, to spend as they please. Who are you to say that they are wasting their money?
     
  8. Geno

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    Amen...he should buy a 6MM Remington instead...that's a hyped-up .243!
     
  9. Monkeybear

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    Sometimes I waste so much money on guns I end up with stuff I don't even want. Heck I wish I could buy another rifle and say "This rifle is for (insert reason here)". I don't think I am alone in this.


    I need to spend more on ammo.
     
  10. NDGeek

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    I think it comes down to "More than I need, not as many as I want" as others have said

    Spending it on guns rather than say.. hookers and blow.. isn't all bad.

    BTW.. I use a .243 for deer hunting, coyote hunting and prairie dog disintigration but I still call it my "Deer Rifle".. now that is weird.
     
  11. glockman19

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    My hunting rifle is a Remington 700 CDL in .30-06. Notice I said "hunting rifle" NOT Hunting "Rifles". I do, however, have a marlin 1894 .44 mag for bear. and... the mini-14 or AR's will do find on varmints. 10/22 isn't bad either.
     
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    Why do you have an M1 Garand, and an AR15? Both are military pattern rifles. Pointless to own 2 of those. Also why a 10-22, and an AR15? Both are .22 caliber. Again another waste of money. What do you need that Burris for? Ain't you got no eyes? Another waste of money.
     
  13. colt.45

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    wow 85 thant impressive. well when you have that many guns each one should have a specific purpose, but lets say you saw a guy with a .22 hornet, a .243 and a .223. and that person was complaining about needing more versalinity. you could say that he could have done alot better with a rimfire, a .243 and say something like a 30-06. he would have a much more practical arsenal.

    and i dont ever have a problem with someone wanting a gun. but the people that do what im talking about read 1 an article in guns and ammo, or hear from one guy that .243 works great on deer. bam, he has it fixed in his mind that .243 is the cartridge for deer, and it wont work for anything else.

    and i am certainly not picking on the .243. its just an example.
     
  14. browningguy

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    Well let's see, for rifles I hunt with regularly I have .223, 6x45, .270, 7x57, .308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, 7.65x53, .458 Winchester. I have more than one of several of those calibers, and now I'm thinking about what to get next. I also have lots of golf clubs in case it matters, but my wife isn't considered ugly.

    And why do you care what I spend my money on?
     
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    Hey, if I can somehow come up with some justification, no matter how farfetched, for buying another gun, I will jump at it.
     
  16. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Can anyone who understands ranting hyterics please translate that for the rest of us? Does the original poster feel slighted that the .243 exists, does he just not like people looking for an excuse to buy another rifle, or does the name "deer rifle" upset him because you can shoot things other than deer? :confused:
     
  17. enkindler

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    I reckon it's for the same reasons I help my neighbors change the wheel bearings on there car, so I have an excuse to buy another tool.

    I'm cheap but I have no problem spending money on things that will last for decades.

    Then again I have two hunting rifles, the same two my dad bought in the 70's and they do me fine, my reasons for buying the others was pure recreation.
     
  18. DoubleTapDrew

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    What's wrong with an excuse for another rifle? I use my 7mm-08 for deer and .300 weatherby for elk. I've seen a good deal of meat wasted by using too large a caliber for deer, and I hate to see an animal that doesn't die quickly by using a marginal caliber or not having that perfect hit.
    I almost bought a Ruger Alaskan in .454 before a recent fishing trip to Alaska. Would I be in an area with bears? No. But it's a great excuse!
     
  19. Regolith

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    I'm with the "anti-amens" on this one.

    Basically: So what? If the guy wants to spend HIS money on another rifle, whats the problem with that? What's the problem with having different guns set up for different tasks, even if those tasks could overlap? You COULD have a single gun set up to kill anything from praire dogs to moose, but you'd have to change the POI for the rifle every time you take on a different game. There is also the fact that certain TYPES of rifles are better for different TYPES of hunting, even though the calibers they are chambered in are suited for similar game species. For instance, that Marlin .30-30 and the Rem 700 are both suitable for deer, but the Marlin is better suited for closer distances and hunting in dense forests, where as the Rem 700 is better suited for long ranges and areas without a lot of cover.

    Its possible he wants a new rifle for hunting ELK in MONTANA because his Remington 700 WEIGHS TOO MUCH. There will be a lot of walking and carrying of gear involved in Montana, and so a lighter mountain gun would be more appropriate than a heavier gun, particularly if he's got that 700 set up as a bench rest rifle.

    Then there are folks who just like to collect guns. Its their hobby. Hell, my father has FOUR different rifles capable of taking deer. He's got two M77's in 7mm-08 and .280, a Sako Finnwolf in .308, and a .30-30 lever rifle. Why four different rifles? One reason is that my mother hunted with him, then later my brother and I did as well. Another reason he got the .30-30 while still living in Oregon, and needed something for longer range when he moved out into the desert in Nevada (which is when he got the M77's). The Finnwolf he just happened to get a good deal on, and it was a rifle he couldn't have aquired otherwise (the guy he bought it from bought it in Finland, and Sako never exported the model).

    Put simply, there are LOTS of reasons to own multiple firearms that are capable of doing similar things. And its not always a waste of money.
     
  20. iamkris

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    I'd say more power to him. He just got to experience 3 really cool calibers and now has the opportunity to go buy more guns that fit what he is looking for.

    You keep hinting that people need to have a "practical arsenal". What's the prize for that? I'd say that a "practical arsenal" is boring...what's the fun of just having a couple of guns or a few guns? The more the merrier I say.

    Wanna hear something really crazy? I have multiple copies of exactly the same gun. .45 SAAs, 1911s, K98s, Garands, etc. What a waste of money!!
     
  21. Harry Paget Flashman

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    ssr said it very well:
    I would only change the word "jump" to "lunge".
     
  22. colt.45

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    wow, you all totally missed the point. i tried to make it more simple from the get-go, but lets see if i can re-explain myself.

    i was merely pointing out that some people even when in a tight money situation, will make a bad choice buying a new gun that will do the same thing as another rifle he already has, even when he wants to do something else that he cant do with his existing guns.. when youre starting out, you should be trying to expant your versatility, across the board. why would you buy a rifle that does nothing more than what you have, if you also want a rifle for another purpose also?

    and it never ceases to amase me how literally people on the internet will take things, and then procede to try to make people look stupid.
     
  23. Harry Paget Flashman

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    Posting is kind of like target practice. Sometimes we don't hit the mark or sometimes the target appears fuzzy. The Internet is a real crapshoot. :)
     
  24. trueblue1776

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    I guess I see what you're getting at, I have a buddy that can't hit the broad side of a barn who has a blueprinted 700 in an AICS stock, and a host of other ninja goodies.

    I'm happy using a .30-06, I have loads from 110gr-220gr depending on the game. It's shocking how many passionate shooters never realize how versatile their guns really are.
     
  25. BridgeWalker

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    It seems to me that at least half the fun of a big hunting trip would be a new rifle to take along.

    Personally, I think I need at least four different guns for shooting clay birds. sadly, I own but one so far, but seein' as how I'm convinced I direly need three more guna to accomodate different styles of clays I can't fault anyone for wanting a rifle to hunt a vastly different critter with.
     
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