Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dust_101, Jul 30, 2007.
I agree... Yawn
Yawn sums it up...
eBay is so money hungry now, most people are beginning to stop posting anyway. Their rates are just out of sight now. I have basically stopped putting anything on there........
Email just received from ebay:
Thank you for your recent email to Matt Halprin in regard to changes to
our Firearms, Weapons and Knives policy. He has asked that I review your
email and respond on his behalf.
Before choosing to discontinue use of your eBay account I hope that you
would allow me the opportunity to explain why we have chosen to amend
At eBay we take the safety of our community and our marketplace very
seriously. We have a Trust and Safety team which consists of more than
2,000 experts in online security and safety who are located around the
globe. This team is dedicated to ensuring that our marketplace is a safe
and trusted place for buyers and sellers to engage in trade.
We value an open and transparent marketplace; if items are legal to buy
and sell in an unrestricted manner we allow them on our site. However,
there are some items that while legal, may not be safe for our
marketplace. In these instances, our applicable policies go beyond the
law to ensure that our marketplace is safe.
After careful consideration our executives and our Trust and Safety team
determined, that while legal, any item required to fire a gun has no
place on eBay. All of our policies are under constant review. As the
Internet and the way our communities use the Internet evolves, our
policies and our marketplace must evolve with it. We determined that
this policy change was in the best interest of promoting a safe
marketplace for all members.
I understand your frustration regarding this matter and apologize for
the inconvenience it caused you.
Office of the President
You can't have it both ways, darlin' Terri (why do I picture a little heart thingy over the i?)
Illogical and inconsistent. As if they really care.
My response was:
Thank you for your email. I would only point out that the firearms industry
is one of the most regulated businesses in this country. Your policy, in
effect, is telling anyone who owns a firearm in this country, that they
cannot be trusted.
If you were serious about selling items that can be misused, you would also
prohibit the sale of knives, swords, baseball bats, etc.
Again, it is well known that eBay and PayPal are anti-gun. You do not need
to hide behind some excuse to discontinue selling gun related items. It is
your right to discontinue these items. We don't like it and will move our
Go here to comment:
There is some evidence that some brass has already been re-listed after being removed. Pressure needs be applied first to see if the decision stands. If it does, then simple boy cot isn't the answer. We must convince others to follow, in droves!
That however is not stopping anti-gun eBay employees from rabidly pulling any auction that is reported to them, or comes across their pre-screen for new listings.
They aren't changing their minds. It has been what, about 4 months since VA Tech? That entire time their lawyers and Meg and Bill have all been figuring out the big old CYA once they make this eBay LAW....
Do you think this is really true?
I am sort of skeptic about this myself, knowing the business of pawnbrokering, they are heavily regulated and I don't believe E-bay is like that myself.
Most of the dealing's I have had, been really good and descent folks. They do have a group that follows this spot pretty close (LEO) I'd have to think.
I wonder, would it make more of an impact to mail paper letters to these fools?
I would rather give my business to them than feEbay.
I just love being painted upon with a broad brush.
What's next? Is E-bay gonna come out next week and deny black people the usage of their services cause their money could be from liquor store robberies.
Bigotry is Bigotry no matter what group of people it's directed against.
Yeah! I can go to brownells and order a rear sight for a MAS36.
The great thing about E-bay was being able to locate those parts that you'd NEVER find any other way
I think EBay owns a significant stake in Craigslist. :banghead:
Who the hell decides what is safe? I've had students to stab another with a pencil! Do we ban pencils in schools and stop selling them on ebay? No...we deal with the people involved and move on. This crap from e-bay makes me sick. Also, where the hell is the NRA on this one? Surely they could rattle some chains. I've got to stop, my blood pressure is sky high.....I'll come back once I've cooled down some.
guess in their eyes a teenager getting drunk off of a homebrew kit sold on ebay and then driving and killing an inoocent family is ok but a law abiding gun owner buying a box full of brass is wrong.
i wonder how many people will now be selling ".45 inch inside diameter scrap brass cylinders" on ebay!
non-firearm item auctions they are now neither bidding on nor starting, that would be tens of thousands of e-mails every week telling eBay about business they have lost. This is something that I very much doubt eBay would ignore, and it would painfully cut through eBay's belief that with their newly enplaced ban they are only losing the firearm item auctions, but that they are in fact also losing a lot of business on many other auction types.
I still believe an organized, and most importantly a long term boycott, with weekly e-mails to eBay about all the other (non-firearm) auction business they are losing, stands a very good chance of eventually convincing them to reverse their decision, or at least compel them to spinoff an independent eBay related internet auction company that would handle firearm item auctions. I am going to contact the NRA and GOA and see if they would be willing to get behind this boycott method, and will let everyone know what if any response I get. But no matter what I will still proceed on my own with the boycott/weekly e-mail campaign, and will encourage others to join in whenever possible. I know most will think it is a waste of time, but when it comes to gun rights we shouldn't just fight the fights with good odds, we should always just fight.
"We have a Trust and Safety team which consists of more than
No wonder thier fees are so high - they have to pay all these "experts".
I wished I owned a company that could just bleed money on "experts" and stupid rules and still be successful.
Oh, Poo-poo! Ah, whaaaatevvver!! Evilbay sucks anyhow.
And now, I ask for a moment of silence for reddogxxalaskan whose 1911 grip sales will plummet. You know, the SAME grips he has been hawking over & over, daily/weekly for YEARS:
He used to advertise them as Ahrends grips.
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