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"We cannot guarantee a risk-free life."

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Flyboy, Jun 22, 2005.

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  1. Flyboy

    Flyboy Member

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    Great article over at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-6_21_05_EF.html (no apparent registration requirement, though I might just have BugMeNot credentials cached).
    Read it, though, for a surprising twist...
     
  2. dk-corriveau

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    Than you for the great article. It would be nice to have our politicians make such a lucid and candid evaluation of our regulatory state.
     
  3. Flyboy

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    I really expected to get more commentary out of this; maybe people aren't following the link. I'll go ahead and spoil the surprise:
     
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    Have my ears gone insane? That cant be the same Tony Blair of the Labor Party that we are all so familar with. It sounds great, but lets seem him deliver.
     
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    Those examples weaken the argument. They really have a lot more to do with an over-litigated society than an over-regulated one.
     
  6. Art Eatman

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    Thread drift: There's a large body of research into "risk analysis". The numbers as to cost per life saved are incredible. Also, common wisdom is commonly wrong on the relative hazards among the various booger-bears which are written about in the media...

    Example: Folks get the twitches about nuclear power, but there are some 4,000 deaths per year (1985 study) from air pollution from coal-fired power plants in the Richmond to Boston corridor. Old folks, asthma sufferers and the like.

    Art
     
  7. Pilot

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    Deleted, see post below.
     
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    Ah, yes.

    All women are illogical and emotional and incapable of making rational decisions.

    Men who happen to be stupid or illogical or irrational are simply acting like women.

    What an illogical (but emotionally satisfying!) argument.

    :rolleyes:

    pax

    A man of sense only trifles with them (women), plays with them, humours and flatters them, as he does with a sprightly and forward child; but he neither consults them about, nor trusts them with, serious matters. -- Philip Chesterfield
     
  9. benEzra

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    The opaque mylar sunshade sitting in my parked car's windshield to keep the interior cool has a little tag on it that reads:

    "CAUTION: Do not drive with sunshade in place." :uhoh:
     
  10. Vitamin G

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    Actually there was a study in which a psychologist took three groups of adults. One had to come up with as many adjectives for a "normal healthy adult". Another had to do the same for "Normal Healthy Adult Woman", and another had to come up with adjectives for "Normal Healthy Adult Man".

    The normal healthy adult was independent, logical, rational, etc.
    The normal healthy male was independent, logical, rational, etc.
    the normal healthy female was dependent, emotional, you get the idea...

    "General" social perception is that one cannot be a healthy adult, and healthy adult female, at the same time.
     
  11. JShirley

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    Dear Pilot:

    That is pretty close to the stupidest thing I've read since this board was created, not to mention misogynistic and ignorant. Thanks for doing nothing but adding emotion to this discussion.

    And what's "illogocial"?

    John
     
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    "Illogocial"-- adjective, contraction of illogical and social. Used when one is trying to convey a lack of understanding of a subset of society.

    Example-- "I just don't understand (insert minority here), they are so illogocial."
     
  13. Pilot

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    Well my statement was a little strong and too general and yes too stereotypical. However, I think your statement is a bit strong. I do think our society has been increasingly feminized. I don't like it. We here more about feelings and sensitivity and react in a knee jerk fashion to things that are nobody's fault. Yet we must blame and over react with more laws and regulation to protect ourselves. I stand by my statement that women have more of these tendencies than men. If you think that's stupid, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree.

    You can look illogical up in the dictionary.
     
  14. Andrew Rothman

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    Leaving Pilot's faux pas behind us, here is the full text of Blair's speech.

     
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    continued...
    (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/speeches/story/0,11126,1493151,00.html)
     
  16. Pilot

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    Well it did wake up the thread! Too much coffee I guess, but I was only trying to help my brethren of the air Flyboy. :)

    To the extent I offended anyone, I apologize, (ala Dick Durbin.) :)
     
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    I did look up illogocial. My Webster's 9th New Collegiate (1991) had no mention, and dictionary.com: No entry found for illogocial.Did you mean illogical?

    Suggestions:
    illogical
    illogically
    oological
    alogical
    illegal
    Eulogical
    Iliacal

    No entry was found in the dictionary.
     
  18. JShirley

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    So, Pilot, was the point "women should be more logical", or "women should be more like men"?

    Any quick study will easily show that vastly higher numbers of men than women are in jail. Why?

    Oh, it's aggression. Men are typically much more aggressive. Let's define aggression: "a feeling of hostility..."

    Women tend to live much longer than men. Why?

    Oh, stress. What is stress, in this context? It's "A mentally or emotionally disruptive or upsetting condition..."

    So, do you want women to be more logical, or not? Based on the stats, men do silly things and worry with that "Y" chromosome. I'm not claiming that men are actually "more emotional", but they don't appear to be LESS so, either...just different.

    Feel free to debate this with something other than raw gender bias and sexism; I'm all ears.

    John
     
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    Getting back to the point, then...

    So, given that we've all just been grievously hurt by the Supreme Court's decision in Kelo, when is the government going to "move?"

    Oh, that's right, it only "moves" to increase regulation and sieze power.
     
  20. Pilot

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    John,

    This is the last I'll say on this matter. Excuse me for mispelling illogical. I guess you never have mispelled a word. I don't think men are better than woman, however on the whole we do think differently. There ARE differences in the genders. As woman have gained more power in our society in the last 40 or so years (more women in the workplace, business, politics,ets), the "feel good" notions some of which have effected our gun rights, have become more prevalent. Women are mothers. They tend to nurture and protect. I believe a certain amount of "safety at all cost" has krept into every facet of our lives. Through laws and regulations we are losing our rights and the ability to make our own choices about the amount of risk we tolerate.

    Who do you think started the saying "its for the children" a man?

    P.S. Please correct any spelling errors you see fit.
     
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