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We get Barrels: Revisited

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by Dave Sample, Jan 23, 2005.

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  1. Dave Sample

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    WARNING: These pictures were taken by a real Pistolsmith. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WITHOUT PRIOR TRAINING.

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  2. Dave Sample

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    This one was restored to it's former Place in the Sun. It is "in the white" and will have a blued lower end later. We installed a new slide stop, new ejector, new firing pin stop,new Kart NM Barrel w/bushing, tuned extractor, and test fired 01-23-05. The shooter was my man Leo and he ran over 200 rounds of semi-waddcutters through it without any malfunctions of any kind. Ejection was 6 ' straight out in a 2-3 foot circle. New Wolff Patriot Spring kit was also added with the 16 1/2 VP recoil spring and HD firing pin spring. This Tack Driver will be for sale in Denver in about a month. It is an 80 Series Gold Cup top end over a Caspian lower end with 20 LPI Front Strap checkering and 20 LPI on the Trigger Guard. Just PIA restoration by the unknown smith. Mission Completed.
     
  4. 1911Tuner

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    Outstanding!

    Good show' Cap'n...but the argument wan't about fitting a barrel without a gauge. Of course a hard-fit barrel can be correctly chambered with a stop collar on the reamer...but that was never the point.

    Remember where it got started? Dominic's Nork barrel...and the pictures of
    "Ideal Headspace" that was determined by the rim sitting flush with the face of the barrel hood.

    The point was...and is...that you can't verify correct headspace without involving the slide, and you sure can't verify it by dropping a loaded round into a chamber. Verifying headspace in an existing gun...such as Dominics, safe or not...requires gauging. That was the only point...and I'll stand by that statement 'til it snows in hell.

    Your stop collar is nicely done, BTW. I had to make mine. I usually set it to stop just short of the desired depth, and finish it by hand.

    Anyway...I'm tired of this little circus. It's been fun, but I've got a personal matter weighing pretty heavily on me right now, and I need to tend to it. See ya in the next flame war.

    Tunerfish
     
  5. Gewehr98

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    Nice job.

    I do so love a properly fitted Kart NM barrel. All my 1911 variants wear one. Sorry that the discussion on fitment had to degrade, though. :(
     
  6. Old Fuff

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    Methinks your photography is better then your 'smithing ... They show too much of the finer points. :uhoh: :D
     
  7. Bill Z

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    Don't leave us hanging Fluff, elaborate on that comment please.

    What do you see by way of the
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    What makes the photography better than the 'smithing?

    Come on, enlighten me.
     
  8. Dave Sample

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    O.F. Thanks for the nice Compliment.
     
  9. Dave Sample

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    Here's on for you O.F.

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    Before and after. Can O.F. tell the difference?
     
  10. BluesBear

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    The photography shows that who ever had it before you or your student was a little sloppy with the inside edges of the ejection port.
     
  11. Lars1911

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    yep,i noticed that bb.nice g.c. though,dont think i wouldve jeweled it either but to each theyre own. :banghead:
     
  12. Bill Z

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    Let's see, it's a 17 year old gun that was a shooter that Dave just replaced the stuff that he posted he did and this has what to do with Fuffs comments?

    I can see that the top end is a Colt Gold cup top end fitted to a Caspian frame (picture 5, post 2), plus the comments on post three verify that, so between Colt and 17 years that may account for a few things. It isn't a student gun, we only use Caspian frames AND slides, all new,nothing used.

    Bear, at least you commented fairly about the ejection port and not try to put that off on Dave, but it seems like the OF couldn't help but take a stab, even for no reason, or what I would consider no reason as he couldn't give one. For a 'professional in the business' as he has called himself, he doesn't even make a good cheap shot artist. Why couldn't he give credit where credit was due? How 'bout those groups? Just color me frustrated.

    BTW, if the customer wants it jeweled, or pink, or purple, or, or, or....you have to realize it's someone elses dream or wishes you, as a 'smith, are trying to realize, not necessarily your own. You draw the line on quality of parts and services, the jeweling doesn't have anything to do with that.

    BTW BB, I noticed your sig line addition, cute way to announce your agenda.
     
  13. BluesBear

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    It just seemed like an awful lot of work to have done just to sell a slide. ;)

    Are we supposed to be impressed by the 1¼" group at seven yards?
    Or the 3" group at 15 yards?


    BTW Thanks for pointing out the code error in my sig. I have fixed it.
     
  14. Bill Z

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    Sell what slide? Read/comprehend what the customer wanted done/what was preformed.

    What kind of a group shot free-hand from a pistol do you need to see that it performs accurately. You've never commented on groups like this positively before?

    You just seem to have an agenda, it's a bit sad.
     
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    It is easy to be a guy like the O.F. when you have a Moderator in your hip pocket, Bill. He can say and do anything he wants. His agenda is hate and discontent and we know about that from the Democrats. We must pity him for being so jealous and all he shoots is his mouth off.
    Time for the rest of the story.
    The owner is my best friend for almost 39 years. He is full of cancer and dying and no longer able to practice law. He is looking for stuff he can sell to raise money to live on until the end of the trail.This gun was worthless when it came to me and I restored it to it's best condition and now it's better than ever so we can sell it to who ever wants is with pride. It was all Pro-bono, of course.
    O.F knows nothing of my skills and abilities and would not know good work if it jumped up and bit him. The opinion of no name ignorant posters means nothing to me and I am not surprised at what they do. I call these threads Casting Pearls Before Swine. I am very sad at what Americans have become now , and all I can do is pity you.
     
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    Time, Gentlemen!

    Gee-Zus! I can't even grab a few hours to make funeral arrangements without everything going to Helen Gone around here.

    Dave! Nobody is in anybody's pocket on the open forums, and many of the comments fired with you in the crosshairs are things that you have brought on yourself with back-handed insults and comments to the effect that everybody who opposes your methods or viewpoints are "Nameless, Faceless Cowards." If you can't take a little heat, stop striking matches. For the record, I've edited some of your comments that would have gotten you banned without further warning had I not been such an early riser and caught the posts before the bossman got a complaint. I HAVE gotten complaints,
    and have not issued another formal warning...You're still at just the one
    warning because of my willingness to smooth things over and try to keep the peace. You're welcome.

    Fuff! I want to keep you aboard. I understand your anger and indignation,
    but I have to keep it on a civilized level.

    BluesBear! Just chill and let it happen. The man has shot himself squarely in both feet and one ankle...and he's reloaded his gun. The population is beginning to see the king's new clothes.

    Finally, back to Dave...

    I'm sorry..but I must, with all due respect, advise you that if I see a post that is dead wrong, and/or COULD result in anyone being hurt or damaging a valued firearm, I WILL edit the post to remove the information, rather than continue to attempt to correct it and explain it...and having another flame war erupt here. The Gunsmithing Board is about information, troubleshooting, repairing, and helping to explain to others how to address their problems. It's my job to see that all information given is accurate, correct, safe and legal,
    and until the administrator informs me that it's okay to allow incorrect information, I'll continue to correct it.

    Now, ya'll behave for a few days. I have to go bury my mother.
     
  17. N.M. Edmands

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    Tuner, hang in there guy, sorry for your loss.
     
  18. Bill Z

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    Sorry for your loss John. PM on the way.

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    I lost my Mom five years ago and then my Dad, my sister Carol and my favorite aunt Mary all in five months. I am deeply sorry about your loss and wish I could be there to help. Internet Hugs from Dave and the Captain, and from the Heeler that is on my feet as I speak. I am sorry that I have lived my life not taking insults from anyone. I think it may be a character defect, but it is the way I am. God Bless you and your Mom.
     
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    One more thing and I promise I will be nice.

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    Any combination of Man and Gun that can put 8 rounds of 45 ACP semi-waddcutters through a hole 3/4 of an inch at seven yards and make a Valentine, is a team that I am very proud of. This is with no bench rest, just standing there shooting like a man.

    The gun was sold less than 24 hours after the test fire was completed to an old client who has 4 or 5 of my guns. I had about three offers and sent it to the best place I found for it to live happily ever after.
    The local people know what I do.
     
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    Dave,
    Could you post a pic of a good throat job with a round in the chamber from the opposite side of the hood. Thanks in advance.

    Tom
     
  22. Dave Sample

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    Tommyt: I do not think I want to get into another rat fight over that kind of picture. While I was picking up some finished guns that Gunsite blued for me, I asked Cory Trapp (Gunsite Smith) about our latest adventure here. he uses a Go Gauge to check the chamber because he does not trust factory ammo. I agreed, but said the rounds that I used I check with a chamber check from Midway Arms so that I know the round is within Spec's. I never mentioned that it was the right way or the wrong way, just my way.
    Cory agreed with me that the real danger is amateurs who over throat barrels and cause the cases to blow. I have seen this many times and have a few in the shop. I will not post pictures of these ruined barrels because Tuner thinks that someone might do this and blow a gun up. I have pictures that I can post of a properly throated barrel, and if Tuner approves I will be happy to put them up at some later date.
     
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    Dave,
    That sounds great. Not trying to cause any trouble. Tuner told me that my barrel had been throated a bit toooo much by a "gunsmith" that worked on it a while back. I just wanted to see what a good throat job looked like. Thanks.
     
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    Over Throated Barrels

    Dave,

    If you have barrels that have been ruined by over-throating, please do post the pictures. Examples of what NOT to do are valuable, because barrel throats are among the most-often butchered areas of the gun, followed closely by botched trigger jobs.

    Readers of this thread please note that a barrel throat can look good, and still be wrong. Pretty work isn't a guarantee of good work.
     
  25. Bill Z

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    You fellow's do know that there is such a thing as a throat guage too, don't you? It's a 'build at home project', don't know if you can buy one, I'll have to check around.
     
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