We get Barrels: Revisited
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Wichaka
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WARNING: These pictures were taken by a real Pistolsmith. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WITHOUT PRIOR TRAINING.
Dave..............who's the real pistolsmith that took the pics?
Dave..............who's the real pistolsmith that took the pics?
Dave Sample
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Witch: I did. I saw that barrel out in the shop today so I will try to get you some pictures of barrels throated right, and wrong. It is hard to spot sometimes, but a real easy way to tell is to grind an EMPTY 45 case in half and then you can see where the web of the case relates to the throat. Maybe I can find one I did years ago.
I am not going to respond to anymore insults from jerks so you are wasting your time. I am booking a new GSP Online 1911Class and I have a new one starting in a few days so I really don't have much spare time to waste. Check out www.1911gsponline.us. It is going to be a honey!
I am not going to respond to anymore insults from jerks so you are wasting your time. I am booking a new GSP Online 1911Class and I have a new one starting in a few days so I really don't have much spare time to waste. Check out www.1911gsponline.us. It is going to be a honey!
1911Tuner
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Ground Case
Tommyt asked:
>Can you explain a bit more on the grinding of the case....I didn't follow the part about "see where the web of the case relates to the throat".<
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Hi Tommy,
It's a case that's been cross-sectioned...split down the middle...and it allows you to insert it into the chamber to visually check the head support. Not a
reliable check for an over-throated barrel because the webbing and case thickness ahead of the webbing can vary quite a bit from brand to brand...
and it can even vary some from lot to lot with the same brand. A throat gauge is best, and it also must tie in with headspace specs. The throat can
be perfect, but if the headspace is excessive, you can still have an unsupported head condition on firing, depending on how the excessive headspace is achieved...whether it's simply coming from a long chamber, or
from dimensional issues between the breechface and the locking lugs that allow the case to back out of the chamber when the gun fires. Long chamber really isn't a problem. If the case backs out...Could be a major problem.
Hope this helps...
Tuner
Tommyt asked:
>Can you explain a bit more on the grinding of the case....I didn't follow the part about "see where the web of the case relates to the throat".<
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Hi Tommy,
It's a case that's been cross-sectioned...split down the middle...and it allows you to insert it into the chamber to visually check the head support. Not a
reliable check for an over-throated barrel because the webbing and case thickness ahead of the webbing can vary quite a bit from brand to brand...
and it can even vary some from lot to lot with the same brand. A throat gauge is best, and it also must tie in with headspace specs. The throat can
be perfect, but if the headspace is excessive, you can still have an unsupported head condition on firing, depending on how the excessive headspace is achieved...whether it's simply coming from a long chamber, or
from dimensional issues between the breechface and the locking lugs that allow the case to back out of the chamber when the gun fires. Long chamber really isn't a problem. If the case backs out...Could be a major problem.
Hope this helps...
Tuner
tommyt:
Rather then split cases (which as Tuner has pointed out isn't always a good answer) I suggest that you buy two publications that will better help you understand the 1911 style pistol and/or provide a source for tools. gauges and parts. Both are witten in layman's English so you can understand them, and both are well illustrated:
"The Colt .45 Automatic - A Shop Manual" by Jerry Kuhnhausen.
- - which is available from Brownells (www.brownells.com)
And while you're at it also buy a copy of Brownells' catalog. With these two books you will be way ahead.
Incidentally, Kuhnhausen fully explains throating issues - with pictures.
Rather then split cases (which as Tuner has pointed out isn't always a good answer) I suggest that you buy two publications that will better help you understand the 1911 style pistol and/or provide a source for tools. gauges and parts. Both are witten in layman's English so you can understand them, and both are well illustrated:
"The Colt .45 Automatic - A Shop Manual" by Jerry Kuhnhausen.
- - which is available from Brownells (www.brownells.com)
And while you're at it also buy a copy of Brownells' catalog. With these two books you will be way ahead.
Incidentally, Kuhnhausen fully explains throating issues - with pictures.
John@JCDLESales
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Tuner Just Wanted To Say Hi
Found you crusin some links. How goes it man?
I see you and Sample Dave are still at it:banghead: I thought he'd be dead by now from all the chest beating he does
Some Spit never changes son does it? The man is wastin his time with STEWDENTS When he could publish the Encyclopedia Of "The Workings And Master Gunsmithing Of The Model 1911" Followed by his book "My 100 BEST Friend Master Gunsmiths"
Sorry Tuner just couldn't hold back man
You take care son and keep up the good work and I'll stop by to check in every now and then.
John
Found you crusin some links. How goes it man?
I see you and Sample Dave are still at it:banghead: I thought he'd be dead by now from all the chest beating he does
Some Spit never changes son does it? The man is wastin his time with STEWDENTS When he could publish the Encyclopedia Of "The Workings And Master Gunsmithing Of The Model 1911" Followed by his book "My 100 BEST Friend Master Gunsmiths"
Sorry Tuner just couldn't hold back man
You take care son and keep up the good work and I'll stop by to check in every now and then.
John
1911Tuner
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Hey John! I thought you'd been drafted or somethin'! Ya still takin' care of business?
Dave's been gone for a while. One of the other mods pushed the bye-bye button on him while I was asleep. Didn't ask what happened.
Hey John! I thought you'd been drafted or somethin'! Ya still takin' care of business?
Dave's been gone for a while. One of the other mods pushed the bye-bye button on him while I was asleep. Didn't ask what happened.
John@JCDLESales
Member
I Did Not Know That
Tuner I had some time to kill last night so I was chasing some of the links folks send me and came upon THR. Started reading and there it was the Saga of "Sample Dave And Tuner".
Followed a few of his posts and went to the linked GS site looked over Grand Master "D"s offering of a Phd in 1911ology and the list of Master 1911 Gunsmithing "Drop Out Parts". Followed another link to newest of his forum tries where he is 93% of the forum. Well he really got a Case Of The Jaws For You Now Aye
Also looks like he and his Best Friend Teddy are shall we say "On The Outs" I also see he gives you credit for having him thrown off GT. Hey he gave me credit for that in his Super Double Secret 1911 Forum of a couple years ago so at least I'm holding good company. And the price of those 1911's his Stewdents are turning out has skyrocketed. Man we should of jumped in on the ground level on that one aye.
I'm still building those Belt Feds and trying to make as many MG Shoots as I can weather permitting. Here are a few pics of our Sept Shoot in Camden, TN
Always A Pleasure Tuner And Keep Saving The Pups You Know I Do.
John
Some Of The Toys
Pups
Tuner I had some time to kill last night so I was chasing some of the links folks send me and came upon THR. Started reading and there it was the Saga of "Sample Dave And Tuner".
Followed a few of his posts and went to the linked GS site looked over Grand Master "D"s offering of a Phd in 1911ology and the list of Master 1911 Gunsmithing "Drop Out Parts". Followed another link to newest of his forum tries where he is 93% of the forum. Well he really got a Case Of The Jaws For You Now Aye
Also looks like he and his Best Friend Teddy are shall we say "On The Outs"
I also see he gives you credit for having him thrown off GT. Hey he gave me credit for that in his Super Double Secret 1911 Forum of a couple years ago so at least I'm holding good company. And the price of those 1911's his Stewdents are turning out has skyrocketed. Man we should of jumped in on the ground level on that one aye.I'm still building those Belt Feds and trying to make as many MG Shoots as I can weather permitting. Here are a few pics of our Sept Shoot in Camden, TN
Always A Pleasure Tuner And Keep Saving The Pups You Know I Do.
John
Some Of The Toys
Pups
ulflyer
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John, fine looking threesome. What kind is the spotted one?
Your "toys" ain't too shabby either.
Your "toys" ain't too shabby either.
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Toys
Nice collection, John. I haven't been to a MG shoot in years. Not since I was invited to the SOF Convention when it was in Charlotte back in the early 80s. Had a blast...pun intended.
Yeah...Dave blames me for that boot, and I guess there's no convincing him that I had nothing to do with it. I actually tried to keep him on board because he did some really nice custom work, and he could have been a contributor if he could have gotten past his main obsession. On several occasions, I even went as far as editing some of his comments that would have gotten him banned immediately if a few of the other mods had seen'em.
I didn't get to the one that killed the pooch, and never even asked the mod who pushed the button on him what he said. Ah well...
Anyway...He ain't here to fight back, so it's probably better to just let it lay.
Never been much to beat on a man in public if he can't offer his side of the story.
Onward!
Nice collection, John. I haven't been to a MG shoot in years. Not since I was invited to the SOF Convention when it was in Charlotte back in the early 80s. Had a blast...pun intended.
Yeah...Dave blames me for that boot, and I guess there's no convincing him that I had nothing to do with it. I actually tried to keep him on board because he did some really nice custom work, and he could have been a contributor if he could have gotten past his main obsession. On several occasions, I even went as far as editing some of his comments that would have gotten him banned immediately if a few of the other mods had seen'em.
I didn't get to the one that killed the pooch, and never even asked the mod who pushed the button on him what he said. Ah well...
Anyway...He ain't here to fight back, so it's probably better to just let it lay.
Never been much to beat on a man in public if he can't offer his side of the story.
Onward!
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Dogs
Aw man! Just noticed the dogs. Great lookin' bunch. I've got 12 now.
Might be best to lock this one out before it starts to draw heat.
Woof!
Aw man! Just noticed the dogs. Great lookin' bunch. I've got 12 now.
Might be best to lock this one out before it starts to draw heat.
Woof!
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