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"We Need Long Guns!!" - Boston PD

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CmdrSlander, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. CmdrSlander

    CmdrSlander Member

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    If you were listening to the scanner like I was during the Boston bomber pursuit you likely noticed the officers telling dispatch this over and over. They needed rifles, many officers felt like they could have gotten the bombers sooner had they had them.

    So my question is: If something like this went down in your town and the police were in a similar situation, would you lend a rifle to the police?
     
  2. CCP_Holder

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    In a heartbeat.
     
  3. TCB in TN

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    Wouldn't hesitate. I know most of the locals, and the majority are good guys to start with.
     
  4. M1key

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    They wouldn't ever ask me...nor would I volunteer mine.

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  5. FourTeeFive

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    Not in this day and age. How do you know they would know how to properly use the weapon you had? I could see somehow a liability issue coming your way. I personally do not think it is responsible to hand a weapon to someone unless you know they are completely familiar with the proper functioning of it. And a lot of LEO seem to barely know the make and model of the gun strapped to their hip.

    They can afford to buy military vehicles, helicopters, and you name what else; so I think they can afford to buy appropriate weaponry and learn how to use it.
     
  6. sota

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    absolutely NOT.


    now, if they wanted to deputise me for the duration of a crisis, with full support and backing of their legal capacities in case someone decides to go lawyer happy, then I might consider rendering my and my firearms services to them. but under NO circumstances would I loan a firearm to a law enforcement agency. I have no way of knowing if they can properly operate the weapon system, nor do I have any protection from legal liabilities if they use that weapon and its traced back to me. Yes, I live in a state where they sue everyone for everything all the time. Now if they wanted to fix THAT problem...
     
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    I wouldn't simply because it could wind up in a number of situations that would prevent it from being returned to me quickly. I always thought police kept a shotgun or something with a little more punch in their car if their pistol wasn't doing the job.
     
  9. joeschmoe

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    I'll take care of my yard, you take care of yours. If you do this for a living pony up the $400 and buy the tools you need to do the job. You can even write it off on your taxes.
     
  10. ChaoSS

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    Most police have two back ups, at least everywhere I've lived, or been, a rifle, and a shotgun.
     
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    Really?

    Every pic I've seen the guys are carrying rifles. They just felt like they needed more rifles or weren't deploying the assets properly.
     
  12. rcmodel

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    From all the AR-15's I saw on the news for 4 days??

    I thought I had discovered why there is an AR-15 rifle & MagPul furniture shortage across the country.
    The Boston Police already have them all.

    Regardless of all that?


    They fired enough rounds without hitting anything to kill more civilians then the bombers did!

    They really need to borrow the Kansas City Police firearms instructors for a while.

    When those KC cops shoot, somebody drops and don't get back up and run off!

    rc
     
  13. RX-178

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    Depending on the situation... and there's too many ways the situation could go to even try to list... maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't.

    I will say though, if the cops are in a gun battle with the bad guys (and these Boston Bombers are undoubtedly bad guys), and they need help, and they tell me they need help, I certainly wouldn't tell them to pound sand.
     
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    The tool pouch I carry has nearly $3,000 worth of hand tools in it.
    That does not include the rest of the tools in my truck.
    I paid for them as they are the tools of my trade.
    The police forces who's salaries and equipment my tax dollars pay for should be able to afford the tools of their trade.
     
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    Our folks have AR15's. Tried to convince them to go with 308's but they just wouldn't go for it. Ammo cost too much.
     
  16. miller.lyte

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    Depends. In the south? Likely. In NY, CA, NJ (etc)? Probably not.

    Pretty extreme situation and I can't see big city cops realistically needing rifles from civilians, but hypothetically, if it could realistically bring a safer and quicker end to an immensely dangerous situation, I wouldn't necessarily deny them assistance. Some extreme circumstances call for stepping up and helping out even if you don't "have" to.
     
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    it's too bad too. I would have liked to have seen the residents of Watertown armed and standing on their porches guarding their respective properties.
     
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    I have had that experience, and this is what transpired. A local deputy sheriff called me one morning, and asked if I had a gun powerful enough to stop a really LARGE cat that had escaped from it's wild animal owner. He did not know HOW large, or what type of cat, just that it was loose, could be dangerous to the community, and MAY need to be downed quickly. As you might remember, Ohio recently has a LOT of wild AFRICAN animals released by a nut case owner south of Columbus, so the presence of other lions, tigers, and bears, oh MY, was very possible where we reside. I pondered it, and said, yes, he could borrow my .300 Win Mag, which I had several types of ammo for, including some with military AP bullets. The deputy is a 3 or 4 time graduate of Gunsite, and came over and sighted my rifle in for himself, and went out with my rifle. The cat was later captured by the owner, and was determined to be some intermediate (bobcat sized) exotic, and did not become a threat. I would not have handed my rifle to just anyone, and probably would have ridden along and been the shooter if it was not someone I knew to be competent. Many of our county's deputies are tactically trained, or on the team, and supervisors have access or carry gov't loaned M14's in the squad cars. I agree with the deputizing thing, should LE's need your gun AND "expertise" in use with it. If they can't handle that, then they should make do. Looking back to the N Hollywood shootout, the LAPD "confiscated" guns from a local gunshop (BumbleBee Sales) to stop the bank robbers, and the gunshop got treated rather badly by LAPD before that, and ultimately went out of business due to harassment and overregulation over the years. That was their "thank you" for loaning the guns to the police. Read about it here: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/NOHO+SHOOTOUT+GUN+SHOP+GOES+BANKRUPT.-a083012785
     
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    Wouldn't loan my rifle to them, but I would volunteer to act as a sniper for them.:)
     
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    Every event like this spurs on more officers to purchase their own rifles (IF dept regs allow it). Yet there's always hold outs until it happens a little closer to their dept. There are even guys that won't train with the guns they ARE issued if they don't get paid for it or ammo supplied.

    This is why as a police officer I fight good and hard for our gun rights, because I have guns that I can bring to a fight if all the PD guns are in use. Officers in Boston probably can't even own EBRs for all I know.

    We had an incident recently in which it required lots of man power. A local guy lent a couple guns to the effort. One of them was a .50 bmg bolt gun with serious glass mounted. The man was very generous to lend it, but if one of the perimiter guys had to use it on a BG, he likely wouldn't have gotten his rifle back.
     
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    I can't see a situation where that would ever happen in FL. I think they have pretty much the same calibers that the civilians have.
     
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    In California, at least, theoretically it is required if requested by law enforcement due to posse comitatus:
    http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/150.html
     
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    Of course. The police aren't my enemy by any stretch of the imagination. In a heartbeat.
     
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    As far as I know our local LEO's carry AR's. I know the DPS troopers do.
     
  25. GCMkc

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    NO. My local PD is armed to the teeth already. I'd lend them my rifle if they gave me cash and could pass a background check.
     
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