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Weird question about de-cocking.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by shotgunner, Jan 10, 2006.

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  1. shotgunner

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    When your gun, or arm ejects the last casing/shell. How would you close the action, but de-cock the gun safely? Meaning w/o dry-firing it?

    For instance.
    Glock
    The last case ejects, you close the action, and insert your carry magazine. How would you de-cock it without dry-firing?

    Pump-gun
    How would you de-cock after you've ejected the last shell, but you want to keep the action closed?

    I'm asking this because my firing pins can remain under tension for months at a time, therefore increasing the chances of the springs taking a "set" and dueling out light strikes against primer caps.

    Would snap caps be a good idea? Or do they even hold the firing pin back slightly?
    Think I'm being paranoid??

    I appreciate the feedback!

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. rchernandez

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    Don't know of any other way on a Glock. Won't hurt it. Same goes for the pump.

    Only concerned with Rimfire but snap caps do a good enough job.


    Relax...:cool:
     
  3. Black Majik

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    Only DA/SA guns can be safely decocked. If it doesn't have a decocker, dont decock it!

    The Glock is technically a DAO gun. There is no way to decock it. Plus there is no reason to decock it. If you want the gun uncocked, make sure the gun is unloaded and dryfire in a safe direction. Same goes with the shotgun, except that's not a DAO gun.
     
  4. Henry Bowman

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    I think you are way over-stating this preceived problem. Spring fatigue by use, i.e., flexing movement, not from being held compressed.

    Yes, or at least concerned about a baseless issue.:)
     
  5. Thefabulousfink

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    What do you do with a SA gun then? would you leave a 1911 or a Colt SAA cocked all the time?:neener:
     
  6. Azrael256

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    Uh, I dunno about your guns, but my firing pin spring remains compressed unless I remove the firing pin stop. Actually, all the springs on my guns sit under compression all the time. Even my unloaded magazine springs are under tension. A great deal has been made of spring fatigue. Very little of it is worth the concern.
     
  7. Black Majik

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    LOL. well.... you means you dont leave your guns loaded all the time?!? :evil:
     
  8. Double Maduro

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    Thefabulousfink,

    When I carried my 1911 it was cocked all the time it was loaded. Both the 1911 and the SAA can be decocked safely, loaded or unloaded, I believe that is what the "half cock" notch is for.

    On the 2 examples asked about, don't worry about it.

    DM
     
  9. gremlin_bros

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    glock is a dao meanint it isnt cocked till you pull the trigger this is one of the reasons i use eather a da/sa or a sa only my beretta has a decock and the 1911 i verry carefully in a safe direction hold hammer and pull trigger and lower hammer to half cock if i dont carry and if i carry the 1911 it's cocked and locked.

    as for the shotgunwell theres no way to decock it other than pulling the triger but there stored sometimes for years as in the case of my grandfathers shotgun with no harm done so its a problem that dosent reily exist in my humble openion

    well i hope this helps intresting post though made me do a double take and kinda think for a minet lol
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    I don't own a Single Action Army, but leave my model 1911 cocked for months on end between trips to the range. Not a problem.
     
  11. TexasRifleman

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    Exactly. If you want to de-cock a 1911 for some bizarre reason, you do it at the range after verifying empty chamber and no mag.

    But, as Standing Wolf says, why would you want to de-cock it? You store it cocked and locked and loaded, just like you carry it unless you have been at the range, then you should have dropped the hammer on an empty chamber while pointed in a nice safe direction.

    This simplicity is why I like the 1911 design.

    My Sigs have a de-cocking lever so those are as simple.

    And with the Glocks you wouldn't "de-cock" them since they are not "cocked" until you pull the trigger.
     
  12. DirtyBrad

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    I leave my pistol cocked and locked all the time and my 870 is "cocked" all the time, although on an empty chamber.

    If you're only dry-firing to decock, you're almost certainly safe. But since you're probably dry-firing a lot to practice ;) you might as well get some snap-caps. You can say what you like in the age-old snap-cap/dry-fire argument, but there's no drawback to having snap-caps and they only cost a couple of bucks.

    I don't believe it's safe to decock on a live round under any circumstance unless you're using a decocker. My old boss was standing near me and dropped the hammer with his thumb. He put a round into the floor which ricocheted into a tool bucket nearby. Anecdotal, yes, but it does happen and I can't see any reason why you'd want a single-action pistol hammer-down on a live round.
     
  13. Azrael256

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    Say that in the semiauto forum and see what happens... I accidentally touched off a S-storm by asking about condition 2 carry. After some thinking about it, and testing the idea out on a snap-cap, condition 2 appears to be a really bad idea on the 1911. It MIGHT be safe to do on a pre S80 gun, but it's still asking for trouble. It's made for condition 1, so use it that way.
     
  14. jlbraun

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    Actually, I thought that GLOCK is a SA pistol. See this:

     
  15. ktd

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    addressing various posts in this thread in no particular order.

    The Radom is a single action gun with a decocker. There are other pistols that are single action with slide mounted firing pin locking safeties that allow the gun to be safely decocked, like the MAS1950.

    I know people who store all their guns action open for decades and have not had problems. I know people who keep actions closed for decades and have not had problems. And I have seen people break springs on brand new guns within a box of ammo.

    Firing pins do not usually protrude when guns are decocked. Mostly only certain old guns (Peacemaker and older Star autopistols) do that, and the snap cap would not hurt it to push it back a little.

    The Glock is not exactly a true DAO, but even when cocked, the striker is not held back all the way so the tension is at the low end. Pulling the trigger brings the striker under full tension then releases. It is designed to be kept indefinitely in the cocked condition.

    On a modern service pistol, field shotgun, military rifle, whatever, I would not worry too much about the springs, that is like worrying that the parking brake on your car is gonna fail. It might, but is such a rare occurence, you worry about it when it happens (assuming you are not a total maintenance loser).

    The only time I would worry enough to bother with a snap cap is on a fine gun like a double rifle, or on a gun known to have problems, like a Luger. And even then, I would not be handling the gun on a daily basis so I would not worry then either.
     
  16. KriegHund

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    I Did a "De-Cocking" once on a 10/22. Accidently shot the last round of a 10 round mag straight into the air...

    I was young and stupid. Still am young... a little bit less stupid now.

    Is That the correct term? De cocking?
     
  17. Double Maduro

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    Azreal256,

    Sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean to carry with the hammer in the half cock position.

    I meant that the half cock notch helps you to decock safely. Once the hammer starts forward, release the pressure on the trigger and the half cock notch should catch it. Then lower the hammer from there. Of course to be safe you can always place your finger under the hammer.

    Now, even with a decock lever, remember the 4 rules, especially #2.

    Again, sorry for the confusion.

    DM
     
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