Quantcast

well guys i worked up a load using 4f goex in my 1851 navy 36 caliber

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by midland man, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:29 PM.

  1. midland man

    midland man Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,834
    Location:
    coalgate oklahoma
    so here's the scoop after hearing how using 4f goex in my 51' navy colt 36 caliber replica by pietta would blow the gun up, I started out with 20grs of 4f goex and it didn't with a lubed wad really get the ball against the charge very good so that one load was weak! now the next load and mind you I was only loading one charge in the cylinder at a time and so I went up to 25grs 4f goex and 1/8th inch lubed wad and it had some okay power as a target load! but wasn't satisfied so I went up to 30grs 4f goex and now with a 1/8th inch lubed wad and roundball now this load wad all the cylinder could hold and had to push the ball in pretty hard but cleared the chamber mouth and so with this load I was very impressed as it has even more power with 30grs 4f over 30grs of 3f goex and shoots very strong and accuracy was even better and cleaner burning! so I decided to load all six with this max load and didn't have any trouble! so I really like the goex 4f at 30grs measured with a pistol measure leveled as the cylinders can't hold any more than that! but yeah my pistol survived and performed very well and so I can't see why it couldn't take care of hogs with this max load!!
     
    swathdiver and maint1517 like this.
  2. maint1517

    maint1517 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    369
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Glad to hear that you both came out of it unscathed.
    Just curious. Was the recoil noticeably heavier with the 30 grns of 4f?
     
  3. maint1517

    maint1517 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    369
    Location:
    South Carolina
    I'd love to know how a max load of 4f like that does in a .44!
     
  4. rodwha

    rodwha Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Messages:
    3,253
    Location:
    Texas
    Maybe you’d be further impressed by using 3F Olde E or Swiss. Standard Goex isn’t impressive and I’d guess even 4F doesn’t equate to Olde E 3F, but then I’ve not seen it compared since no one cares to.
     
  5. Jackrabbit1957

    Jackrabbit1957 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Messages:
    168
    Sounds like some mythology has been busted!! I hadn't given much thought about shooting 4f in my revolvers, I have a pound of it and now have a way to get it gone. I used to use it as priming powder for my rocklocks but soon figured out that it was much easier to prime with whatever was in the horn. So I have this can of goex sitting there looking at me with no where to go. Gonna shoot it in my ROAs this fall after the fire danger comes down.
     
    maint1517 and midland man like this.
  6. midland man

    midland man Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,834
    Location:
    coalgate oklahoma
    not a whole lot more but sound was a tad more but yeah this myth has been busted as 30grs of 4f goex didn't hurt nor show any problems on my revolver!
     
    maint1517 likes this.
  7. paul harm

    paul harm Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2018
    Messages:
    232
    And I've got 2 or 3 cans to use up. I still use it in my flintlocks, but don't shoot them very much anymore. Looking in my Layman BP handbook, 1st edition, they show 29grs of 3F GEOX having 1097fps, 9,440LUP [ 10,440psi ? ] and 216ft/lbs of energy. With 27.5 grs of 4F everything was the same except the pressure was 200 LUP higher. They also show 4F being used in the 31 and 44. In the 44 there isn't much difference between 3 and 4F, but is shines in the 31. With 13grs ME goes from 54 to 70.
     
    midland man, rodwha and maint1517 like this.
  8. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    19,532
    One of the benefits of modern metallurgy.
     
    maint1517 and midland man like this.
  9. rodwha

    rodwha Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Messages:
    3,253
    Location:
    Texas
    4F was used during the Civil War.
     
    maint1517 and midland man like this.
  10. Steel Hayes

    Steel Hayes Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2018
    Messages:
    114
    Location:
    Michigan
    Funny, I seem to remember saying almost that exact same thing(not directed at you midland man).
    With the Lee conicals I’ve used before in my .36’s, the most I could stuff in was 32-35grains.
     
    maint1517 and midland man like this.
  11. whughett

    whughett Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,255
    Location:
    Rhode Island/Florida
    Just a thought if the only difference tween the "F's" is granulation, could one simply mix unused 4 with 3 in a 50/50 mixture. My only experience is with 3 and Pryo in R and P.
     
    Steel Hayes and maint1517 like this.
  12. rodwha

    rodwha Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Messages:
    3,253
    Location:
    Texas
    The smaller particles would eventually sift down leaving it mostly 4 at the bottom.
     
    maint1517 likes this.
  13. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    19,532
    rodwha - 4f was available, but what arsenal provided 4F powder and where was it used? Curious.
     
    maint1517 likes this.
  14. rodwha

    rodwha Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Messages:
    3,253
    Location:
    Texas
    The paper cartridges sold to the Army by Hazard’s used what they called Pistol Powder. A fellow found some and tested them finding them to contain 4F powder and about equivalent to what we see with Swiss and Olde Eynsford powder. He wrote up a nice report and gave permission to pass it along. It’s rather lengthy so it needs to be sent via email. I’ve copied it all (he has some other testing) and saved it. It can be found in the Percussion Revolver group in the Files on Yahoo or I can send it if anyone would like to see for themselves.
     
    swathdiver and maint1517 like this.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice