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Well guys it happened to me....neighbor.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by waldonbuddy, Sep 1, 2009.

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  1. waldonbuddy

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    Today I was coming back from town, and seen the mailman approaching so I drove up the drive just a bit and parked to walk down, and get my mail.

    Last week my neighbors wife came over at the worst possible moment as we had just buried our pet cat of ten years and was grieving terribly. She asked about a UPS package that she was supposed to have received Monday, well I had a package of magazines that I ordered that came in to me on Monday. I told her as much in a very nice way. Then she said that she called the company and I signed for it.......well, yeah it was what I ordered. I told her again sorry and she just rolled her eyes. I knew she didnt believe me which kinda hurt me that she would think that of me, as I would have no motive at all for taking her package {a scarf, btw}.

    So today I was met at the mailbox by her husband. I asked if she had gotten the package thing solved. He said yes. I told him I felt bad about the mix up to which he said "I don't care if you felt bad".

    Then he said, "that ____ing shooting has got to stop. I said I didn't know it bothered him, as he mentioned it back a few months ago to which I invited him to come over a shoot with me as I made my own range at the base of a large hill behind my house. I asked him if it bothered him {the first time he mentioned it} all he said {then} was "just don't shoot over here or I'll ____ing shoot back". After thinking about it I just blew it off as maybe he was just trying to be funny.

    Today, I reminded him of what he said earlier, and he replied that well I didnt expect you to shoot every damned day. I then told him I didnt shoot everyday, for one I couldn't afford it. I only shoot ONCE a week, and usually its three 15 round mags through my 9mm pistol. So how much time is that maybe 20 minutes a week. Well, he could not be reasoned with, and mentioned calling the county LEO and his lawyer.

    For one we live in a rural area, but its close to a school, but there is a hunting club that's property is within the same distance to the school about 1/4 mile. The school is to the left and behind the hill that I have my range, so there is not even a reasonable chance that a stray round would hurt someone. I also know what the county will tell him, which is that there is no laws here prohibiting shooting in my rural area.

    Make no mistake, I stood my ground. I asked him when would be a good time for me to shoot or maybe once a month etc. He said he wouldn't even answer that question. I told him that if it bothered him that much I would stop shooting. He said just do what you want to do.

    I was really amazed at this guy today. I've lived across the street from him for over 20 years with no problems. He is no kid, and neither am I. I put him at 60-ish old. Oh, and he said I was shooting so much because I wanted him to know as well as the neighborhood that I had guns?????

    Anyway, I don't know how much political ties/clout this man has, or how much being near the school would play into legal problem, but I know that we as a gun community all know to well what could happen if he pressed the issue. If nothing else the lead issue alone would put me under so I guess Ill have to stand down.

    Its really tough though, as I built my range with steel targets {at a downward angle} that move when you hit them so there is no need to have to walk to the paper to see if you hit the targets. It was nice to be able to walk out in the yard to practice, but no more.

    Thanks for letting me get this off my chest as I know Ive read some similar post here so some of you know first hand my problem.
     
  2. FlyinBryan

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    unfortunately this would cause me not to really care if he didnt like the sound of lawful recreational shooting

    to be honest, if he were to come over and mention politely that it un-nerved him, i would politely refrain from shooting when he was home.

    but thats not what happened.

    if the law allowed, i would continue, if not increase.

    in fact, buy a .50.

    i work with people that are reasonable and polite, and i truly care about their feelings. but im not sure if your guy fits in with that.
     
  3. cyclopsshooter

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    Eat it, try not to provoke the dumba$$ any more than you have to
     
  4. FlyinBryan

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    lol, i like your sig cyclops.

    ive seen more people then i can count get that backwards.
     
  5. Shung

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    what a m&r&n.....!

    I hate people that are uneducated and talk like that.. it only motivates me to be more of a pain in the @ss for them...

    Now, this involving guns, I'd take legal advice from a lawyer, not a forum.
     
  6. average_shooter

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    If the neighbor threatened to call the county law enforcement on the issue, why not call them first preemptively?

    "He who calls first is the victim" and all that, it would set precedent that you are in the right. Then, if he threatens to call law enforcement he can go ahead and they can tell him what they already told you and he can shut up or move. After all, there's plenty of properties available for cheap these days...
     
  7. RobNDenver

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    Waldon,

    Is the range on your property? Have the county commissioners passed any ordinances that would forbid shooting in your area? Have they passed a master plan that prohibits shooting or hunting in the zone you are in? The fact that there is a school somewhere in the vicinity of your property is immaterial if shooting is permitted in the area of the county where you live. You are obligated to keep bullets from leaving your property. You are also obligated to not make unreasonable noise at times inconvenient to others . . like don't be running your leaf blower (shooting your pistol) before seven am or after 8 pm . . . If your range backstop is absorbing the lead, then you may need to clean it up before selling the property. . . or if it can leach into groundwater.

    Here is a pretty interesting document on managing lead from a firing range. http://www.oshainfo.gatech.edu/lead/stewardship.pdf

    Hold your ground. You have every right to shoot on your own property, particularly if you are shooting infrequently.
     
  8. TheBookGuy

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    I can completely relate. I posted on here not too long back about the same kind of thing, except had to do with ricochets. I had done everything right, but have decided to not be active in the area any more. Suck it up and carry on.
     
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  9. Floppy_D

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    Well done, Bryan. :rolleyes: :D

    If at all possible, a peaceable solution is going to serve both parties best. If he won't let that happen, make sure your the first one to find out from the authorities if you are in the right or not. Now's the time to do the research, rather than guess.
     
  10. MaxV

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    legal.....

    Choose your fights (when you can) carefully. If it is worth it to you find out where you stand legally from a lawyer, and proceed from there. Most people are reasonable, when we meet those who are not, the game needs to change....Just give it some careful thought and proceed....
     
  11. jimmyraythomason

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    Cheap property?

    :what:''After all, there's plenty of properties available for cheap these days...''
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    :what:Where are you from average_shooter?
     
  12. CoRoMo

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    Nonsense. It might take up some of your time, but you ought to contact the county governing bodies, law enforcement, etc. and ask all the questions you need. You could even talk to a lawyer about it, and you're done. My guess is that you'll find out that you are in the right, up to your ears.

    It'd be a total shame to have to live under the thumb of a guy like that.
     
  13. deadin

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    This makes it sound like the school is downrange. If so, you might have a problem unless you have a berm that would absolutely guarantee nothing could get over it even by accident (including ricochets).
    I like the idea of calling the county first and finding out if the neighbor has a leg to stand on.
     
  14. jcwit

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    I live in a small town and we just went to daylight savings time which now allows me to listen to LOUD mowers every night of the week, some nights as late as 10 PM. Believe me if it was legal for me to have a range, and legal for me to shoot I would now be shooting EVERY NITE of the week.

    You say you stood your ground, How so? Sounds to me as if you back peddled very quickly. Standing your ground would mean you'd still be shooting. You state you have essentially closed you're range with no one telling you to. Mayhaps I'm not High Road enough but believe me I would never be pushed around by a swearing piece of low life human excrement you describe.
     
  15. average_shooter

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    lol. Well, I was watching TV late one night recently and there was an infomercial advertising local ("bank owned") properties in the Twin Cities Metro area, some starting as low as $500. The average home price in Detroit is something like $7,500 from articles I've read recently.

    In other words, if the shooting by the OP was so bothersome to the neighbor, said neighbor could move someplace else for cheap. Granted he'd still probably have to listen to constant gunfire...
     
  16. waldonbuddy

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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    I have contacted the county LEO's about a year ago on this issue and they said that where I live I can shoot there is nothing anyone can do about it.

    As for the school its 1/4 mile away and behind a huge hill so that even if I shot directly in the direction of the school all I would hit is the hill. However, said hill is on east whereas my range is west with a hill behind it....

    I do feel that he had a right to enjoy his property as much as I do mine, but they way he approached me about it, then threatened me with the lawyer, LEO then that is where he showed his true self, and he was out of line.

    I don't know if maybe he might be a bully of sorts, and has never had anyone to bow up to him like I did today {he was a supervisor for many years and just has retired}. I also asked him why it didn't bother him about all of the kids with the 4 wheelers without mufflers running wide open up and down the street, he said no.

    Anyway, I just don't want to go through the hassle of a law suit, etc. Which is why I feel Ive got to stand down. Hell, he's had quadruple heart bypass surgery last year so the problem may solve itself as well as ammo for him in a lawsuit. Problem with law suits is that you dont know how they will turn out. Many a man has ended up in prison, or loosing everything in a bad legal battle thinking he was right.........

    I just really wanted to vent a little in a place where I have a little support for which I thank you all.
     
  17. cassandrasdaddy

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    he might just be having a bad day/week. see what happens. my one neighbor and i had trouble bad at first. we get along great now
     
  18. DMK

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    If it's legal to shoot where you are, then don't sweat it. Your neighbor sounds like an jerk and nothing you do will change that.

    I have a neighbor a bit down the block that calls the cops every time I shoot. They come over, check to see I'm shooting in a safe direction, they tell me I'm not breaking the law, and I tell them don't blame them for checking on me, they leave and I go back to shooting. they seem a lot more annoyed at my neighbor than anything. Apparently she's one of those people that call the cops a couple times a month to come fix things that annoy her.

    That said, I try not to shoot more than once a month. Mainly I don't want to bug the rest of my neighbors or the cops that keep getting called.
     
  19. longdayjake

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    I would keep shooting and if he says anything you could just say, "I dont care if you feel bad." He said so himself that he didn't care about your feelings, which is an invite for you to do the same toward him. Don't ever let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't do on your own property. If he doesn't want to answer your questions then just shoot when you want. Definately make him call his lawyer as it will cost him a bunch of money and he will get nowhere with it.
     
  20. TimM

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    Call a lawyer and have local LEO come out and take a look to see where you stand. DO NOT give in to Bullies!
     
  21. Tim the student

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    Sorry about your cat. We just lost ours too - it sucks.

    I would call the Sherrif's and get it in writing that you can shoot there. Then, I would shoot as normal, and if he doesn't like it (assuming you are shooting at "normal" hours) I would show him the letter from the Sherrifs office when he comes to complain, and ask what he would like you to do to make him happy. If its not much, like not on a certain day, I would do it in the interest of non-pissy neighbors. If any shooting is unacceptable to him, then I would refer back to his statement about not caring if he feels bad, go load some mags up, and invite your buddies for a BBQ and shooting competition.
     
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    Oh the irony.
     
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    I'll side Tim the student.
     
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    Sounds like your neighbor has gone thru some changes recently and is probably a little grumpy. Since you said you have been neighbors for many years without any real problems, I think you should show him your true colors and be the better man. Ask to sit down and discuss what would make everyone happy. Most things require some kind of compromise to keep the peace with everyone. If he can't be reasoned with and he thinks he doesn't need to compromise, then at least you know you tried and then just continue to do what makes you happy and don't feel bad for him. His problem, not yours at that point. Good luck and hope you work things out.
     
  25. ThrottleJockey72

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    Yup, what they said. Who cares what this guy says. Even if you shouldn't shoot there and he does call the police, the most they will do is tell you to stop. At which point you can consult a lawyer and then either stop or continue, whatever he advises. The police aren't ALWAYS right.
     
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