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What 223/5.56 ammo does not have a crimped primer??

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Rule3, Jan 30, 2012.

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  1. Rule3

    Rule3 Member

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    For reloading purpose I am looking for a brand of 223 Rem (brass, boxer) that does not have the darn crimped primer. I want to be able to reload the brass without swagging or reaming every primer pocket. I have the RCBS crimp removal "die" but it's a pain and I do not want to buy the Dillon.

    So does anyone know of a brand that is not crimped, I want to buy a case, shoot it and reloaded it for a AR.

    Thanks
     
  2. newfalguy101

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    If it aint military/LEO surplus, it doesnt have a crimped primer
     
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    plenty of non-crimped 223 options out there. winchester, remington, federal, hornady, and more.
     
  4. plunge

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    you could buy commercially reloaded ammo. I have bought from ammoman and tactical ammunition and it already had the crimp removed. I think the stuff i got from tactical ammunition was reloaded by BVAC and i never had any issues with it, fairly accurate too. ammoman has 223 for $300/1000 shipped.
     
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    I have a case of lake city that is not crimped, I don`t think it was made for the military.
     
  6. Rule3

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    I bought a case of PMC Bronze not even thinking of crimp. Yep it's crimped.:(

    I guess i should have added, "not expensive premium stuff":D

    Rem, Win, Hornady is a bit more than the other bulk stuff. Maybe the commercial reloaded stuff but that kinda scares me.
     
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    kinda hard to find cheap bulk military surplus ammo without a military crimp. can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Brassman Brass has a lot of options for uncrimped once fired brass and once fired brass that's already had the crimp removed. maybe that would be the best option for you.
     
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    I was watching Shooting USA last night and Found out something I did not know. Jim Scoutten said all current Federal .223 ammo has crimped primers. I guess that means you won't be buying Federal ammo any time soon.

    Jim on the show also said to look carefully because there is a lot more crimped primer pockets than you would think on current sporting ammo. I have not seen any but I have no reason to doubt Jim.
     
  9. cfullgraf

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    If you are planning to reload it, why not buy new brass and load it yourself to begin with.

    If the case has not had a primer in it, then it never was crimped.

    Watch for deals and sales.
     
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    I've noticed that if I'm using the harder CCI #41 primers, they seat just fine even if I don't remove the crimp. I'll still swage the primer pockets a little bit, but it doesn't seem to be necessary.
     
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    You only have to remove the crimp once for the life of the brass.
     
  13. plunge

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    I don't know why you would be scared of commercial reloads. It's not like it is some guy in his parents basement reloading them. Just go with a reputable company and it'll be fine. I have shot over 4000 commercially reloaded rounds thru my AR and never even had one dud.
     
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    If only it were that simple. Federal crimps all their .223 factory ammo, not just the 5.56. That includes the American Eagle and the bulk stuff you can get relatively cheaply at Wally World.

    That and PMC as has also been mentioned.

    Since you only have to remove the crimp once, buying some type of primer pocket swage tool makes sense if you plan to reload a decent amount of .223. The tool will last your lifetime. If I were to amortize the cost of my Dillon Super Swage ($100) over the number of pieces of otherwise free range pick-up once fired brass that it has allowed me to reload, each crimped pocket case has cost me less than three cents and a few seconds of my time. Compare that to the cheapest processed fired cases and you're in the 50% range. Compare it to the cheapest virgin cases and you're in the 20% range. The best part is that the more I use the tool the cheaper each case gets since that cost is spread out over more and more cases. I have 1000's of pieces of .223 brass at my disposal thanks to that $100 tool.

    If you still don't think it's worth bothering with, Remington, Winchester and Hornady are going to be your "go-to" brands. I like Winchester brass and use virgin Win. cases for my precision loads. I'm not a fan on Remington cases (or ammo for that matter) but I don't throw the cases that I find out. Hornady brass and ammo are pricey. Win cases are in the $25 range new and their bulk ammo (.223, the White Box 5.56 has a crimped primer) is usually about $10/20. Rem is about the same price.
     
  15. Rule3

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    I have a lot of Hornady brass that I use in my bolt action varmint rifle. I only need to neck size those.

    I was wanting a case of loaded ammo so I could at least just shoot it as I hate loading 223:( I load pretty much every handgun and several rifle calibers. Using the AR just seems to use a lot of ammo:D

    There is a local guy that deals in nothing but brass where I can buy tons of it, military or commercial but as I said above I got to load it.

    I might go with the Tactical Ammo suggestion on some reloaded stuff.
     
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    Simply go to Jeff at www.gibrass.com . He offers once-fired brass of different headstamps and also offers to process the brass for a very small fee; that fee will get the primer pocket crimps removed and you don't have to mess with it.
     
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    When I got my first .223 I bought a few Federal Bulk Packs of ammo. Not military either. Turned out to be crimped.

    In the end I hated the .223 so badly that I doubt I'll ever own another. Between crimping and heavy bullets with a fast twist I moved on to the .22-250.
     
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    Through several trades, I ended with with a few thousand once-fired LC with the dreaded crimped primers. They sat in my reloading room for quite a while. Then I happened across a used Dillon super swage. Very easy to use and does a great job. I did all my cases in a couple of evenings and am good to go. Once I shoot up all the Federal factory loads I will probably sell it on ebay for what I paid for it.
     
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    Isn't $279/1000 kinda steep for reloaded ammo? You can buy brand new Federal XM193 LC 55 gr FMJ ammo for $299/1000 and get a drill-based primer pocket un-crimper


    You can buy processed once-fired .223 brass with primer pocket crimps removed from TJ Coneveras for $80/1000 with free shipping - http://www.tjconevera.com/onfi223comip.html
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    Why not buy inexpensive crimped military surplus brass for about 5 cents each, then send it to Custom Brass Processing? He will FL resize, deprime, swage the primer pocket, trim to proper length, polish bright, and ship back to you for 3.5 cents per piece plus postage in a flat rate box. That's the easiest way to do it and you get brass ready to prime and load.
     
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    Thanks for the tip Medalguy. I looked him up, don't look bad. Something for me to possibly consider.
     
  23. Rule3

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    The object was to get "loaded" brass with no crimp. Yes, it may be a bit more but saves me the hassle of 1) loading it the first time and 2) removing the crimp. It is loaded with Hornady bullets and Hodgdon powder,I have the RCBS crimp removal die which works well but still a pain.

    This ammo is all LC brass so I get to "enjoy" shooting 1k rounds and not have to load it which I dislike. (AKA "blast away":D)
    I load pretty much every handgun caliber there is and bolt action (neck sized) 223 for my Savage varmint rifle. 223 is a PITA in large amounts (at least to me):)
     
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