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What about a bullpup hunting rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by MikePGS, Dec 19, 2008.

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  1. MikePGS

    MikePGS Member

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    Now, hear me out. A nice short carbine is usually easier to carry, better handling and what not, yet for a hunting rifle it's good to have a long barrel so you can get ideal velocities. Something with a bullpup design might just meet these requirements, but will likely be hated since it would not be traditional looking whatsoever (not universally hated, but by a large sector of people who like traditional looking guns). Would you be able to have a bolt-action bull pup design or would semi-auto probably be the way to go?
     
  2. ScottG1911

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    if you can figure a good way to work the bolt while the rifle is still at your shoulder, without the bolt hitting you in the face. would also be weird reaching towards your cheek to cycle a new round
     
  3. gvnwst

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    Well, some people have done mauser conversions that look really wierd to bullpup. It is very possible, would be funky dcycling the bolt though. I don't think that a 7mm Mag bullpup would be all that wasy anyhow. But for "short" action (.308) cartridges, semi auto would work.
     
  4. Art Eatman

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    Back around 60 years ago, guys did the bullpup thing for varmint rifles. Easy to manipulate when in the cab of a car or truck.

    Bullpups have always seemed to me to be too light at the muzzle for good offhand shooting at any distance. Wrong in what I'm used to for balance; I prefer a rifle to be slightly heavy toward the muzzle.

    I've hunted in some seriously thick cover, and I never really felt constrained by the length of my rifle. A little extra thought while sneaky-snaking, but no big deal...
     
  5. rcmodel

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    There was a Bull-pup fad among amateur rifle builders back in the 1960's.

    Along with the problem of operating the bolt, there are also nearly insurmountable trigger linkage issues.

    And do you really want the LOUD end of a belted Magnum any closer to your ears then it already is on a normally stocked rifle?

    Folks also found Bull-Pups were harder to hold steady and shoot off-hand with all the weight in the back end of the rifle.

    Then there were the accidents!

    The same folks who were building Bull-pup bolt actions were also wildcatters & handloaders.

    Several found out the hard way you shouldn't have your head laying on top of a Mauser action when a case or primer lets go!

    That led to some folks putting steel plate "blast shield" cheek-pieces on the stock, and further added weight in the wrong place for steady holding.

    In all, the fad came and went, with nothing worthwhile coming out of the whole mess.

    rcmodel
     
  6. pk@wellst.fsnet.co.uk

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    I seem to remember that a german or austrian firm manufactured a bullpup hunting rifle, i think it was called the shorty hunter or something like that. it was a neat looking piece of kit.
     
  7. jerkface11

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    Wasn't that one a pump action in various african big game cartridges?
     
  8. pk@wellst.fsnet.co.uk

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    I think that the pistol grip was pulled back to cycle the action and it could be obtained in 22-250 and 243. it was a long time ago since i have seen one!
     
  9. jerkface11

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    Ok there was a german one I saw for sale last year that was .375H&H. It was a pump action bullpup very odd looking.
     
  10. Zundfolge

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    KelTec seems to have solved the bad trigger problem with bullpups ... and they are supposed to have a long barreled version of their RFB on the market next year (of course the Carbine length one is supposed to be on shelves now). http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm

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    Its a .308 (which is good for most any game animal in North America) and I imagine you could get 2 or 3 round FAL mags somewhere.

    Then there's the Walther WA2000 http://www.snipercentral.com/wa2000.htm
    .300 WinMag or .308 ... and cost about as much as a NICE new car.
     
  11. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Well, so far, the Kel-Tec is Vaporware.
    It was anounced over two years ago at the SHOT Show, and still nothing.

    It remains to be seen if the production rifle will be nearly as good as the hand-built prototypes.

    rcmodel
     
  12. Zundfolge

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    That may be ... we'll find out in February (my fear is they're going to dick around and not get them on the market before another AWB then it'll be a moot point whether they're as good as the prototypes).

    Occasionally you'll stumble across something like this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118699151

    Semi autos seem to work better than bolt action, but you still have problems with triggers ... and for some reason most bullpups end up with sights or optics mounted way above the bore line.


    If you want a hunting gun that is real easy to carry, consider handgun hunting. Then you can get a single shot rifle caliber pistol or a big bore revolver ... either of which will probably shoot better than a bullpup converted bolt gun like that Mauser on GB I linked.
     
  13. pk@wellst.fsnet.co.uk

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    if you google shorty rifle you can see what it is, i would post a link but my computer skills leave a lot to be desired:eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Wasn't the Kel-Tec due out this month?

    And...

    I get the feeling they're refering to an AWB....either:
    A) They're using it as an excuse to delay
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    B) They're fooling themselves thinking they'll be able to get around one with a semi auto bullpup...
     
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    let me help you out here.
     

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    Thats the very one! thanks for the help ;)
     
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    Also the one I was talking about.
     
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    Expansion on the delay on the RFB from the Kel-Tec forum

    It basically means we are going over the design and modifiying it some with an eye towards rapid production. so that when it gets in production, there are very few bottlenecks.

    So instead of releaseing some now, and slowly makeing more, we are taking more time now to optimize production, so that we can make them faster, and therefore make more of them before anything detrimental comes out legislativelly.


    I imagine they will also try to ensure the rifle will be immediately available/fixable with a muzzle brake and bullet button to get it legal for restrictive states such as CA and NJ, whose laws could be a template for a potential AWB II.

    Better to be prepared and ready.........
     
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    Already been done, Both past and present

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    It seems like the Desert Tactical SRS like gunmaker posted above would be a great compact bullpup hunting rifle. Not to mention you can put on the .308 upper for deer then switch to the .338 for elk or other big game. The reviews I've seen all got almost scary levels of accuracy, and very good triggers for a bullpup.
    Downside is cost though!
     
  21. elmerfudd

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    As I see it, the problem isn't weight distribution. You could always use a longer or heavier barrel to make it steadier and that would have other benefits as well. I imagine that electronics could be used to make a trigger as good as anything else on the market too.

    The main problem in my mind is that it creates such weird ergonomics. The sights have to be way up above the barrel. The pistol grip is lower than usual and usually too far forward. To me they feel like I'm shouldering a 2x6 rather than a rifle.
     
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    I like the description of the rifle in the first link, "was made exclusively for poaching deer from a moving vehicle."
     
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    i like the Remington sound like a neat idea but would prefer a shotgun for thick cover due to easier offhand shots
     
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