Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Kleanbore, Jul 13, 2021.
As Jeff pointed out, running FOF - you need to know what you are doing. I wouldn't take an FOF experience unless the instructor could demonstrate they took training such as https://krtraining.com/KRTraining/Classes/AirsoftFOF.html
Karl teaches FOF at Givens' TacCon. I would also ask if the instructor had gone through other dedicated instructor courses so they know how to teach.
Here's Karl commenting on his FOF experience and how it works out for some people. https://blog.krtraining.com/polite-society-2014-southnarc-force-on-force-aar/
Interesting screw ups.
One comment on the last bullet point. At the old NTI, we had to arrive at our friend's house with a pizza. Upon coming to the front door, you see blood spatter. What to do?
Several participants refused to enter. However, we were told that is the right decision but for the exercise you have to enter. The interesting thing is that most carried the pizza through the fight that ensued. NOT I though, I tossed it immediately and was praised in AAR for not being stupid.
I note that I am not perfect and was righteously killed several times and had the bruises and scabs from some of the close in airsoft, sims interactions. Shot in the back three times by the nice blond lady who was a secret accomplish in the Jewelry store robbery, in one case.
Here is a story where a bad guy was still functioning for quite a bit after the revolver ran dry. Now, if there were two burglars, our defender (who showed true grit) would have been out of luck.
One thing as a side comment is that she called her husband first. I've seen that in other reports and tried to drill into my family NOT to call me first, if you think it is bad call 011 first. You read of someone calling hubby who races home, that's nice but I'd rather have the law racing to my house first.
Gem - in the Louisiana link, the article makes no mention about WHO is the owner of the gun in this tragedy. If it was the father's, how did the teen perp get it away from him? If the teen brought it, it may have not been seen by the father until it was too late.
I think once the shooting starts the others start to run off.
Sometimes the call is to get coaching, not expecting the husband to race home. Coaching can start immediately, police may get there too late to stop things. I remember a case from a few years ago, in a "duty to retreat" jurisdiction, the wife was home with the kids, BG broke in, not sure if she called husband before or after retreating with the kids into the attic or at what point she did call police, but when BG broke into the attic husband instructed her to shoot him, and kept saying "Shoot him again" until BG was no longer a threat. Wife and kids thankfully lived.
It would be exceptionally imprudent for anyone facing violent criminal actors to rely upon anyone who is not actually present at the scene for "coaching".
Plenty of video on ASD and crime stories seem to show that they go in packs now, especially car jackers.
I would always assume there's probably a second these days
Most times my "radar" wasn't worth much and after a bit of attention I looked elsewhere. Enough times, though, that instinct was right on the money and I found myself looking at young people intending harm.... Wish I could say that I knew many cops that deliberately went looking for trouble - but that's just not the case.... The more trouble you look for on the street - the more bad situations you're likely to find yourself in... Not movie, or TV type stuff - mostly low level stupid stuff by desperate folks not much worried about the consequences of a strong arm robbery (purse snatch) or burglary, or car theft... Be careful what you look for... you just might find it...
It would certainly be preferable for the wife to herself be trained and practiced. But even nowadays many women are not. Just curious, would you say your wife is equally skilled in self-defense as you are?
That was not my point.
Speaking to a frightened person on the phone cannot compensate for thatt, and it can lead to major problems.
That doesn't mean it can't be my point. I strongly advocate for women being able to defend themselves.
Ms Herman used the revolver with adequate skill.
But she called her husband rather than 911. Not a good idea.
And--had the man died, the husband's advice might well have proved very damaging to her.
For the solo would-be muggers command voice, pepper spray in hand (and being shaken), or me reaching to my 4 O'Clock position was enough. The one large "aggressive panhandler" might have been reacting to command voice or it could have been my hand "going for something." He couldn't back up fast enough and began to babble, his well-planned (and well practiced) script was immediately forgotten.
*In that case I wasn't armed with anything as I was on my way into the courthouse......the one with the metal detector. Once there I told them about him, apparently he's a regular and when I left 15 minutes later he was gone. I assume the security on site ran him off.
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