What About the Other Guy?

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Kleanbore, Jul 13, 2021.

  1. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

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    The key to good FOF training is proper planning and execution. The scenarios have to be properly designed and ran. This isn’t the kind of thing that you can do by getting a bunch of friends together with airsoft guns or paintball. The Army has formal training in planning and conducting force on force training . I attended one of the first observer/controller courses back in the 1980s when MILES was being fielded. It’s a lot more complicated then finding a good engagement simulator.
     
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  2. GEM

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    Here's one that didn't go so well. How come our folks who always post a headline attaboy missed it? Where's the plus ones?

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/louisiana-dad-killed-teen-entered-underage-daughters-room

    As Jeff pointed out, running FOF - you need to know what you are doing. I wouldn't take an FOF experience unless the instructor could demonstrate they took training such as https://krtraining.com/KRTraining/Classes/AirsoftFOF.html

    Karl teaches FOF at Givens' TacCon. I would also ask if the instructor had gone through other dedicated instructor courses so they know how to teach.

    Here's Karl commenting on his FOF experience and how it works out for some people. https://blog.krtraining.com/polite-society-2014-southnarc-force-on-force-aar/

    Interesting screw ups.

    One comment on the last bullet point. At the old NTI, we had to arrive at our friend's house with a pizza. Upon coming to the front door, you see blood spatter. What to do?

    Several participants refused to enter. However, we were told that is the right decision but for the exercise you have to enter. The interesting thing is that most carried the pizza through the fight that ensued. NOT I though, I tossed it immediately and was praised in AAR for not being stupid.

    I note that I am not perfect and was righteously killed several times and had the bruises and scabs from some of the close in airsoft, sims interactions. Shot in the back three times by the nice blond lady who was a secret accomplish in the Jewelry store robbery, in one case.
     
  3. GEM

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    https://ccwsafe.com/blog/p414034755

    Here is a story where a bad guy was still functioning for quite a bit after the revolver ran dry. Now, if there were two burglars, our defender (who showed true grit) would have been out of luck.

    One thing as a side comment is that she called her husband first. I've seen that in other reports and tried to drill into my family NOT to call me first, if you think it is bad call 011 first. You read of someone calling hubby who races home, that's nice but I'd rather have the law racing to my house first.
     
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  4. JTHunter

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    Gem - in the Louisiana link, the article makes no mention about WHO is the owner of the gun in this tragedy. If it was the father's, how did the teen perp get it away from him? If the teen brought it, it may have not been seen by the father until it was too late.
     
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