I made a little pocket holster out of thick scrap leather that sort of holds open my fifth/watch pocket on my jeans. Keeps the cylinder from hanging up.
What Are Your Thoughts on SA Revolvers?
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I made a little pocket holster out of thick scrap leather that sort of holds open my fifth/watch pocket on my jeans. Keeps the cylinder from hanging up.
Elkins45
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Imagine how fast you could shoot using a gun with decent ergonomics!
chicharrones
needs more ammo
CraigC
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Imagine how fast you could operate a single action if you actually spent some time with one!
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The thread topic is about Single Action Revolvers (that's what the S and A stand for). You know, the type of weapon that isn't dependent on the ammo it uses to make it function. Not to mention having the ability to shoot a full range of ammo as an actual feature!! These are the steel revolvers that were around long before the "plas-tack" pistols showed up. Careful, this stuff could cause a little "grey matter" usage . . . .
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Elkins45
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Imagine how fast I could knit, or dribble a basketball, or juggle if I spent time doing those things. But I don’t want to spend time doing those things either. And since they improved on the original revolver design over 100 years ago I don’t have to spend time punching out individual empties either.
Now here’s an oddity: a post that manages to be both pointless and condescending at the same time. This forum needs a dislike button for posts like yours...
This thread started with the OP asking about SA revolvers. An opinion was solicited, and a valid one was given. How wonderful for the both of you that you like SA revolvers. How sad for you that you feel the need to “correct” anyone who doesn’t share your opinion.
Rocketmedic
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Its not about speed. I really like the process. Hosing out premium high speed ammo thirty rounds at a time into the same home at 100 yards with a laser sighted tactical rig or dumping a cylinder in 2 seconds isn't fun recreational shooting for me. Sure, it's what is want to do in a gunfight....but the HRR isn't intended for a gunfight.
For me it wasn’t speed of operation. It’s was ergonomics affecting my ability to put rounds on target. My SBH just didn’t fit my hands. I tried different hand positions and even made some custom grips. I even put a Millet scope on it. Easily put 500-600 rounds through it. Nothing worked. Sold the SBH to a good friend and bought a RedHawk.
Now one might say that there was something wrong with the gun or maybe my scope was the issue. I certainly would make a case for that without knowing. But my friend harvested a decent buck with it at 80 yards two weeks after I sold it to him (I was there). He said he never touched a thing. So it wasn’t the gun or the scope.
There are those that can shoot them, and those that can’t. I’m just one of the ones that couldn’t.
Elkins45
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I was never talking about the speed of FIRING— deliberate shooting is the same regardless if shooting a DA, SA or auto. It’s the loading and unloading that takes so long.
CraigC
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Unless you're using speedloaders at the range, total reload time from an empty gun to a loaded gun is a wash. I initially learned to point-shoot with a K-22. Thousands upon thousands of rounds later, I started refining that skill with the Single Six. Tens of thousands of rounds later, I have a pretty good handle on the manual of arms for each. The DA is only faster if you're using speedloaders or moon clips. Of course, you still have to load them so it's really only faster in a gunfight.
At the same time, you must concede that one might get a little ruffled by the statement that they don't have "decent ergonomics".
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Ya beat me to it CraigC !! Lol!
As far as his comment, it was perfectly fine.All the rest of us are wrong . . . .
Mike
As far as his comment, it was perfectly fine.All the rest of us are wrong . . . .
Mike
Elkins45
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At the same time, you must concede that one might get a little ruffled by the statement that they don't have "decent ergonomics".
They don't as compared to a DA revolver, at least for most people. Or at least for me, the person who was responding to the OPs question. DA revolvers were invented because people found the SA design limiting. Otherwise, the development of the revolver would have stopped with the SA.
My comment was about a gun. Your comment was about my mental acuity. You don't understand the difference?
farm23
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I have more revolvers than pistols and more SA revolvers than DA revolvers. Guess which I prefer?
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Well Elkins45, yer wrong buddy!
I wasn't addressing the sharpness of your mental faculties, more the engagement of.
The fact is, the Colt type S.A. is quite "ergonomic" in its design which allows the user to cycle the action while maintaining the sight pic of the acquired target! Not too bad for a 160+ yr. old design! And, since the topic is S.A.s, your argument is moot because the subject is what it is. You would probably do better to start a new topic unless your objective is to cause disruption . . . . .
Mike
I wasn't addressing the sharpness of your mental faculties, more the engagement of.
The fact is, the Colt type S.A. is quite "ergonomic" in its design which allows the user to cycle the action while maintaining the sight pic of the acquired target! Not too bad for a 160+ yr. old design! And, since the topic is S.A.s, your argument is moot because the subject is what it is. You would probably do better to start a new topic unless your objective is to cause disruption . . . . .
Mike
I actually find the SAA one of the most ergonomic handguns out there. I don't have huge meaty paws nor dainty little mitts.
The SAA just hangs right when I aim it. The grip is filling and facilitates one hand firing. The weight soaks up the recoil, but what little there is rocks the gun back for your firing hand's thumb to cock the hammer with good speed.
The DA revolver made the SA revolver obsolete the way SA autos made the DA revolver obsolete the way DA/SA autos made the SA auto obsolete as the polymer striker-fired autos made them all so antiquated that we should just build a shrine to Gaston Glock and marvel at how we were able to kill each other so well for all these centuries with gun a that didn't sport a dingus on the trigger
Then again, I'm one of those knuckleheads that enjoys the slow loading of a classic cap and ball 1858 from time to time yet still carries polymer striker fired gun to save my bacon.
Still, my favorite guns to shoot are the center fire SA revolvers. I like having to slow down. 6 shots with maybe 60 seconds in between while I punch out the empties. 60 seconds for ever 6 I fire may save me $20 on a range visit.
But I will yield that the are slow to reload, or at least slow in my hands. In the woods I just carry 5 in the wheel with 6 stuffed away in my pocket. I don't plan on needing to get to them quickly, and if I do need to, I'm probably hosed already.
The SAA just hangs right when I aim it. The grip is filling and facilitates one hand firing. The weight soaks up the recoil, but what little there is rocks the gun back for your firing hand's thumb to cock the hammer with good speed.
The DA revolver made the SA revolver obsolete the way SA autos made the DA revolver obsolete the way DA/SA autos made the SA auto obsolete as the polymer striker-fired autos made them all so antiquated that we should just build a shrine to Gaston Glock and marvel at how we were able to kill each other so well for all these centuries with gun a that didn't sport a dingus on the trigger
Then again, I'm one of those knuckleheads that enjoys the slow loading of a classic cap and ball 1858 from time to time yet still carries polymer striker fired gun to save my bacon.
Still, my favorite guns to shoot are the center fire SA revolvers. I like having to slow down. 6 shots with maybe 60 seconds in between while I punch out the empties. 60 seconds for ever 6 I fire may save me $20 on a range visit.
But I will yield that the are slow to reload, or at least slow in my hands. In the woods I just carry 5 in the wheel with 6 stuffed away in my pocket. I don't plan on needing to get to them quickly, and if I do need to, I'm probably hosed already.
Have you handled a Glock lately? Talk about a modern iteration of poor ergonomics. Me thinks you’ve never actually handled/shot a Single Action Arm or a derivative. Nothing in my experience points more naturally.
As a handgun hunter I can tell you that the various double-action platforms are not superior to a single-action in design. The SA is much better suited to large and high-pressure cartridges. The DA is not improvement.
Elkins45
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First I have a guy accuse me of not thinking and now this guy calls me a liar. Fun thread.
This thread is about 22LR. Not a large and high pressure cartridge.
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CraigC
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Well, you did kinda step into a single action thread to tell us how crappy they are.
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Who called you a liar? Every comment you made has indicated to me that you perhaps have little experience with single-actions. You are the one who stated in no uncertain terms that double-action revolvers are an improvement over SAs, and that is why I raised the issue of that type of platform in an application where it is not a superior design. The comment about ergonomics was also curious in my opinion.
So again, show me where I called you a liar.
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Chill, folks.
One one hand, this isn't, strictly speaking, a SA appreciation thread - it's a thread that asked what're people's thoughts on SA revolvers for plinking and carry. This doesn't preclude anyone from saying they're not a fan, then. OTOH, if you're not a fan, state your case...without pounding it into the ground and getting defensive when others don't feel the same.
Carry on...
One one hand, this isn't, strictly speaking, a SA appreciation thread - it's a thread that asked what're people's thoughts on SA revolvers for plinking and carry. This doesn't preclude anyone from saying they're not a fan, then. OTOH, if you're not a fan, state your case...without pounding it into the ground and getting defensive when others don't feel the same.
Carry on...
Elkins45
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No I didn’t. I stepped into a thread where someone solicited opinions on SA 22 revolvers for plinking. This wasn’t presented as a “ SA revolver admirers congregate here” thread. I gave my opinion and explained the reasons for it. The OP can choose to take or ignore my advice as he sees fit.
Your logic is flawed. You think that because I don’t agree with you that I have little experience. I have owned and shot SA revolvers since 1988, but I got rid of the 22 because I found it annoying to punch out those tiny little empties. I still have the 357 and 44. But this is a 22 thread. There is a difference.
Do the words “Me thinks you’ve never actually handled/shot a Single Action Arm or derivative” ring any bells?
I’m done here. OP says he bought a SA anyway so the point is moot.
Yup to both points, so it's a good time to wrap this one up.
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