What bothers you most about brick and mortar gun stores?

What bothers you most about local gun sellers?

  • Minimal stock on hand

    Votes: 96 30.1%
  • Sky-high pricing

    Votes: 186 58.3%
  • Opinionated sales staff

    Votes: 138 43.3%
  • Lack of knowledge of sales staff

    Votes: 110 34.5%
  • Special pricing for special people - and you ain't special!

    Votes: 57 17.9%
  • High transfer fees

    Votes: 79 24.8%
  • Cluttered, dirty, or disorganized store

    Votes: 42 13.2%
  • Slow fulfillment of special orders

    Votes: 24 7.5%
  • No support after sale

    Votes: 36 11.3%
  • Charges extra for credit cards

    Votes: 57 17.9%

  • Total voters
    319
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There is one LGS in town that I frequent because it does a heck of a business in consignments. Both selection and price are terrific.

The main counterman M-F is a great guy. Very knowledgeable, nice person, no hard sell.

The gunsmith who sometimes staffs the counter is cool. Sorta old and slow, but he is a good smith and he is nice.

A couple of younger part timers are simply naive and arrogant. I ask them what I want to shoulder/inspect and otherwise there's silence and I like it that way. It's always fun to enter into a technical conversation with another able customer -- you can literally see their eyes glaze over.

The owner was very curt, bordering on rude. I just read his obit a few days ago. He wasn't even 60...
 
I’ve haven’t experienced any of the problems you listed other than high transfer fees that make some online purchases a little to pricy. My biggest problem is that all the shops around me have quit carrying powder. Bullets and primers – no problem. Powder? Forget it!
 
High prices
High transfer fees
Limited inventory
I know that they cant match internet prices but they could at least try and meet in the middle.
 
I'm big into supporting local businesses'. I'd hate a world where your only options were the internet and walmart.

So I supported a new local mom and pop (literally) gun shop. I bought 3 guns from them plus occasional loading supplies and ammo. I thought we had a good thing going. Until I bought a K31 on gunbroker and called them to do the FFL. Sure, for $60 they'd be glad to. Needless to say I haven't set foot in there since.

I now hold my nose and go into another bigger store. They are impersonal, won't budge on prices, but do seem to be fairly knowledgeable.

Laphroaig
 
There’s quite a few gun stores where I live and certainly some are bad, but I have the ability to just avoid those. The one I normally frequent I can’t really complain about. Fair prices, a good selection of guns and I like the staff. Minimal accessories, including scopes, but those are easy enough to find elsewhere.

There was one store very close to my last place that has a gunsmith. He’s pretty good but they use a system of claim tickets. Without fail, every time I went in there I was told if I didn’t bring the ticket back they’d keep the gun – period. There was no way for me to reclaim it.

I’m not sure on the legality of that given I could show ownership via the original box with serial number but even if it was legit it bugged me to the point I found another gunsmith.
 
Whenever i buy a gun from an LGS, i go to H&H Shooting Sports here in OKC. Not a fan of the staff, but they will have what I am looking for in stock 99.9% of the time.

I usually do online and transfer at a pawn shop down the road from where I live
 
The #1 answer is not on the list...and that's the jerkface customer who knows all offering his assistance with your business. If u have been shooting longer than somebody's been alive (and I'm only 29) they should keep the yapper on mute.
 
Since you don't have an "All of the above" button, I had to check them all ... I'm only talking about local stores when it comes to inventory, but with the exception of "Cluttered, dirty or disorganized" most of the other lines apply to every other LGS I've been in.
 
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I am an hour away from the nearest gun store. I've bought all my guns online for the past 10 years and have been very happy. I do not miss having a LGS in any way.
 
The gunsmith who sometimes staffs the counter is cool. Sorta old and slow, but he is a good smith and he is nice.

^ Nice.

A good gunsmith who knows his/her sh...., er, stuff, is worth his/her weight in gold. I don't mean parts changers, or try to change parts but break them (yes, I've had it happen), or I can't figure out how to fix/change X but I can sell you gun Y that is vaguely like your gun (yah, thanks). I mean honest, to God, real gunsmiths are a huge benefit to a shop. Frankly, other than the legal requirement I referenced in post 19, it is the only reason why I'd bother with a LGS these days. Since none of them offer such a service in my area, its a moot point. The economics, with few exceptions, simply don't work out and I understand that, but how I miss shops with real gunsmiths:(
 
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I chose "minimal stock..." and "cluttered, disorganized.. etc." largely due to the lack of support for left-handed shooters.

Prices at most of the ones around here (with some notable exceptions!) are actually not that unreasonable.
 
The #1 answer is not on the list...and that's the jerkface customer who knows all offering his assistance with your business. If u have been shooting longer than somebody's been alive (and I'm only 29) they should keep the yapper on mute.

Poppycock.

Did you get the facts right and did you present them in a non-offensive manner? Yes? Then the rest is noise -- including the number of years one has been here on this Earth.
 
and that's the jerkface customer

Really, I don't think you should be dealing with the public. You want their money but are unwilling to give them a little respect or help in return.

Forgive me, but the jerkface is the one behind the counter not the one in-front of it. I suggest you take a course on how to get and retain customers. "The customer is always right, even if he's wrong".

Jim

That's how J.C. Penny, Sears & Walmart started out and got as big as they did, they may not act that way today, but those that started them have all passed away and jerks are running them today.
 
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I voted NONE. None of the things you've listed apply to my favorite LGS. They're expanding, knowledgable, and they remember my name even when I haven't been there in months. I certainly hope my LGS isn't the exception, if it is I feel sorry for you guys.
What's your store so I can go there?!?!?!

My top 3 gun stores (spread throughout the state of PA) are normally very good, even though a little high on prices sometimes.

But most guns stores anymore seem to have the "close-minded and angry" staff. I don't know everything, but I do know a decent amount and it bugs me when the staff TELL me what I should look at and TELL me why my guns are no good instead of ASKING me what I want or why I am making my decisions. Even worse is when they preach at me and say things that are incorrect. It feels like a cheap used car salesman sometimes.

I always remember these 3 simple rules when I go to a bad gun store:
1. No, this overpriced HK will not make me a Navy SEAL
2. No, this Glock was not owned Jesus Christ or any of his desciples
3. No, this SIG will not make my "male parts" larger
 
I checked opinionated and unknowledgeable sales staff.

There are some exceptions to those faults you list.

A smaller shop can't keep as large an inventory as a large shop. The smaller guy can't tie up several hundred thousand dollars in inventory. I would expect to stock more popular guns. More on that later. There is a large LGS I go to when I need something right away not because their prices are great but because they always have everything. Need an expander ball for a 7.48 mm? They will have several in stock.

Special pricing? I'm guessing your talking about police and military discounts. A businessman can charge what he wants to whoever he wants. Sometimes it's just business sense. If there are 5 LGS in a military town and 4 of them give discounts to military and LE guess who's not getting the military and LE business.

Extra for credit cards? If they're charging list or near list I'll take my business elsewhere. My favorite LGS doesn't take credit cards at all. His prices are so rock bottom cutting 3% or more into his profit would most likely put him out of business. He has an impressive inventory for a small one man shop, always willing to special order, and probably stays in business because of high volume.
 
not enough of them. I they had competition you would read most of these posts.
griz they also have to pay taxes on inventory.
 
I voted lack of knowledgeable sale staff and overly opinionated sales staff as these two things will drive me right out the door. That said, it doesn't happen at my LGS/indoor range...I was just there last night making arrangements for them to receive a pistol I bought online as they are my "Go To" guys for all things FFL.

There are several choices in gun stores close to me and I do business with this group because they are excellent and fair...they know what is what but let clients make their own decisions unless they need help. And then they help ya! :)

I buy special order new guns from them and never worry if they are $50 or so higher than I can get it online as I enjoy supporting a fine establishment and indoor range that caters to me and offers and indoor range within walking distance from my home. But I buy stuff they don't offer like powder/reloading supplies online and have it shipped direct to me. The guns and most accessories I buy from them. :D

It's a Win/Win situation!

VooDoo
 
The only thing on your list that is a problem for me at the LGS's I have frequented for years is that "sometimes" I get a sales associate that doesn't know all they should know. Sure they have high prices on some things. But I've gotten my best deals from area LGS's. I've also had customer service far exceed what was the minimum. I guess I've seen a few shops where they had bad attitudes and high prices but they are few and far between in my home area. I don't have to use those shops because there are plenty more around. We've had a couple of big box stores move into the area no doubt thinking they would take over the local gun trade. Didn't happen that way. One will likely be out of business soon because people in the area aren't the type to fall for slick marketing and shiny display counters. People want the best price on things and if your shop doesn't have that you won't have much business. So competition pretty much keeps all the shops on their toes. Sometimes a shop will flounder because they have someone new running the place or a new owner or whatever. But for the most part the gun shops there have been consistently good over the years. Just as an example I could have bought a CZ for $325 when everyone else was selling them for $400 a couple of years ago. I bought a Marlin 60SS for $175 while other shops were selling them for $275 (places like Buds). I also get try out periods on guns which big box stores would never give you. They know I'm not likely to dislike most guns I suppose. I haven't had too many to complain about. I did buy a shotgun once that had a faulty lifter. The place I bought it had their own service department. They refused to fix it or make it right despite advertising that they do their own warranty work. Of course that wasn't a small shop. It was Gander Mountain. And they did fix it after I made some noise about it. But the LGS's I frequent would have fixed it before I could finish explaining what they problem was.
 
Customers who think they know it all because they used an M14 in 7.62x54R in 1976 in Vietnam. This was actually told to me by a customer and when I laughed at his joke he became very upset for my disrespectful treatment of veterans. I called him a liar in the most polite way I could and walked away.
 
Mainly limited selection, retail plus prices, and a bad sales staff (take your pick: indifferent, lazy, over opinionated, lack of knowledge, rude and obnoxious, self-serving, etc.).
 
Lack of knowlege from sales staff. I don't like it when I just finished gaining novice information doing my own research on the internet and walk into an establishment that is supposed to sell and deal in this merchandise to have a salesman who knows less about the bare basics of the products he is supposed to push than me. I also get really pissed when he pretends to know. A simple sorry I don't know often diffuses any steam since being upfront is more likely to gain my trust.

Opinionated sales staff whether people with real knowlege or wannabees need to learn to respect other people's choices. Pushy police wanabees that want to dictate your purchases need to lean that if their good, stupid, or ignorant advice is politly refused it's time to step back shut your hole and politely thank your customer for his patronage. Some things just work fine some and not others. To each their own and what is not broken doesn't always need to be fixed or improved.

A sloppy, dirty, unorganized store often means sloppy, dirty, unorganized business. I hate having to wait 20 minutes for sloppy store keepers to sort through their unorganized junk looking for something only to turn around and tell you they don't have it or having unorganized people mix up orders or parts. Some people don't mind I do.

Back up what you sell within reason. I am not a hardball on this but if there is a gross mistake or defect concerning a purchase take a little pride in your profession and act like your business reputation is on the line because with the way word of mouth spreads these days through the web and cell phones it is.

High prices bother me the least unless I literally can never ever ever ever afford BM store prices. I am supportive of good ones and will try my best to do business with them.

A good BM store will teach me a thing or two and give me good advice without being a conformist nazi, will be organized and know what is and isn't in stock as well as where they generally put their stuff (I had to mention that,) have thorough knowlege of most of the items they deal in but also be willing to give you a straight I have no idea for those few times they are stumped (it happens to everyone no matter who they are.)

BM stores have tough competition with the internet but they also need to compete if they hope to keep in good business.

If they can't or won't exploit their advantages such as allowing people to examine, inspect, and try out merchandise, as well as teaching and walking people through the basics of the stuff they sell and offering decent product support, then they have alreadly lost. It might be good advice to extend store hours since web orders are active 24/7 and a BM store that serves the average person is unlikely to get more business if the only time they are open is when everyone else is working.

The people that do care will decide to take their chances online if dealing with a BM is an experience in futility.

Then you have your cheapskate, stingy, cheapos. Despite my comments I respect your choice to be a penny pincher even if you have enough income so that you don't have to, but don't dump on the BM stores by comming over to pick their brains, inspect their stuff, and abuse their buyers return remorse policies when you know very well from the start you are going to turn around and order it on the web and have no intention of giving this store one penny for anything.

Have some decency and support this person who helped you find what works best for you by throwing a few dollars (not pinchy pennies) his way. Buy some of his what you consider overpriced ammunition (he/she probably has no choice but to charge high prices.)

If all the BM stores go out of business I have a funny feeling that web prices will go up and purchasers will find out the real meaning of being treated like garbage when their favorite mega distributers tell them to piss off (they actually do this now) if replaceing your grossly defective product is too much of a glitch to their mass distribution chain that only knows how to crunch credit card numbers and shipping invoices.
 
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Guns too far behind a counter with tags too small to to read the caliber and price without asking to see the gun.

LGS gunshop owners. Save yourself some legwork and write this info with a sharpie big enough to see from 10' away.
 
I agree make your prices clear I am reluctant to do business with someone if I feel he is about to eyeball me and make up a price that he thinks I will settle for.

If you are a busy store or just plain lazy make sure your products are clearly displayed with the prices in large print so those who don't want to engage you in unnecessary conversation won't take up you or your staff's valuable time.

There are people (hint me) that will look for what they want see it and fully intend to buy it on the spot if they like it. Having to wait for babblers and hagglers to finish their mumbo jumbo just so I can get a price quote that should have been displayed clearly for anyone who walks in to see in the first place may cause me to walk out with the intention of spending my money in a business run by more considerate people.
 
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