What can you get with a C&R license?

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If you can honestly pick up a Garrand, K31, FR8 or any of the dozens of other CnR long guns and handguns and not get revved by them... Well somethin aint right... Oh.. Here are two of my CnRs that it sounds like ya have no interest in...
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Here's an important question regarding a C&R license: does it qualify you for attendance at the SHOT show?
 
.cheese.--NOPE--there are MANY credible and fully functional C/R guns shooting all calibers under the sun.
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hmmm.... I wonder where I got that idea. Maybe I'm thinking of the definition of Antique under Florida law? I'm not sure.

In any case, maybe it would be worth it to get a C&R afterall.

so here's a question.... when purchasing a C&R automatic - NFA rules still apply right? Still the $200 tax stamp and all I assume?
 
I just ordered a Garand using my C&R. The cost savings vs. having to go through an 01 FFL paid for the C&R for 10 years. Now that you can email a copy of your FFL, its even easier to use it.
 
Do remember that the C&R license is intended for personal collecting. It is not a license to conduct retail firearm sales. You have to maintain your records just like a regular FFL and your records (and guns) are subject to inspection by the ATF at their convenience.

Unless you purchase a lot of older guns, the C&R license is a hassle. I want no part of the hassle for the few firearms I purchase yearly.
 
The C&R FFL is for collecting, and you do have to maintain a bound book of C&R transactions, but my reading, and understanding, is that the ATF can audit me, but at my convenience, not theirs, and I have the option of scheduling the audit/interview/meeting at their office rather than my premises.
 
how does it work if a C&R holder buys a few guns and needs to sell them to make back some money in times of hardship?

Sounds like a real PITA. I would like to clarify that I didn't see anything cool on the ATF's list, but it's so detailed (you can have a czechoslavokian c425632 serial numbers 345 - 6783z with stock, but not with detachable magazine) made that up, but you get the idea. It's a big old list, figured you fellas would know what on there there were only 5 built of, and what on there was readily available for cheap (i.e. this Mosin Nagant thing I don't know about).
 
NOTHING prevents a C/R FFL 3 from selling off items of their personal collection just like a private firearm sale by any citizen--the only difference is that you log the C/R guns in and them out of your log if you sell one and record who it went to.

That's it--no eggshells to walk on.

The trouble starts when some yo-yo gets a C/R and buys CASES of SKS's and such and procedes to SELL them for profit on a regular basis---starts running a business. If the ATF were to find this out, the hammer rightfully falls.

Kellyj00--hey, don't get one then. I think it's BS that any citizen would need one, but it essentially restores for a fee some of the rights lost under the GCA of 1968--mostly buying and selling over the counter and through mail order. Like I said, if you get one and wait--new old stuff comes on the market all the time--police trade ins, etc.
 
If you sell some of your guns, you just log them out of your bound book to the person that you sold them to. As long as you're not dealing in firearms, it's not an issue. As for what's on the list, the list only covers things that aren't 50 years old, but are still C&R, thus the restrictions as to serial #s and features.
 
I didn't notice the Norinco SKS's on the ATF sight. Are these treated different from the Yugo's for some reason?
 
Yes--the norinco's aren't old enough. The Yugo's are a deal for the money--hampered mostly by some lack of spare parts--but that problem is getting better. Some other SKS's are surely C/R--but just more rare (ie. Russian).

The only thing I've bought with my C/R has been a couple of those--and I saved more than the 30 bucks spent just on that purchase.
 
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As stated: The C&R qualifies you to directly purchase 50+ year old firearms and also "commemorative" guns -that could be as new as yesterday. You need to log all purchases and sales in a bound book using the approved format. You can not use this to buy and sell to make a profit - that is as a business. The purpose is to facilitate your collecting activity.

Here are some examples of C&R qualified firearms:

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As you can see, nothing "cool". And there is current production ammo available for all of these firearms - not to mention inexpensive milsurp ammo for many of them.

So, why would anyone want to spend the princely sum of $30 to get a C&R license? :eek:
 
this is nice and all...but the only one I recognize is the 1911.
I guess I'm just not knowledgable enough to buy anything with a C&R.
 
I just ordered some after market levers to replace the square levers on some Marlins. The savings on each leaver was more than $30, the cost of the C&R license. Many suppliers will give you dealer prices for submitting a copy of yours C&R license.
 
this is nice and all...but the only one I recognize is the 1911.
I guess I'm just not knowledgable enough to buy anything with a C&R.
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In the photos you are referring to, there is no 1911 pictured. The thing you think is a 1911 is actually a Star, which is not a 1911.

I agree that you right now, you might be better off without a C&R.
 
"I agree that you right now, you might be better off without a C&R"
thanks buddy. I may just get one to spite you.
Do you have one? Or do you just tell people that they don't deserve one because you don't have one either.
 
Sorry if you thought I was being a smart ass. I really didnt mean for it to come across that way. But I just don't know how much benefit/enjoyment you will get out a C&R license if you don't already know what guns would qualify, and what guns wouldn't.

I didnt mean to insult your intelligence, but if you can't tell a Star from a 1911, I have to wonder whether or not you have enough knowledge about C&R guns to really enjoy having it. I don't mean that in a derogatory fashion, but you yourself said you couldnt identify any of the guns pictured. If you can't at least identify a gun, then there is no way you could have an interest in having one. I think I can identify all of them, except that bolt action that is next to the last.
That doesn't make me better than you, just a little more knowledgeable about C&R guns. I collected guns for many years, read about guns for many years, and talked to a lot of other collectors before I got a C&R. Its not a badge of accomplishment. Anyone can get one, and it doesn't make you less special if you don't have one. All I am saying is if you have to ask what you can get with one, you probably don't need one.
 
this is nice and all...but the only one I recognize is the 1911.
I guess I'm just not knowledgable enough to buy anything with a C&R.
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Zoiks!!!! Now I see why you didn't see anything "cool". (your definition and mine must be different :)) Funny sometimes when you think what you know is commonplace...I would figure the majority of those are pretty well known even if you really aren't into milsurps.

For reference, that's a

  • M1917 .45 ACP
  • Enfield No 1 Mk III .303 British
  • Enfield No 5 "Jungle Carbine" .303 British
  • Makarov 9x18mm
  • Yugo and Chinese SKS, 7.62x39mm
  • Next one is outside of my knowledge base...Iver Johnson top break?
  • Star BM 9x19mm
  • Next one...maybe one of the Romanian .22 LR trainers?
  • Mauser 98k, 7.92x57mm

A C&R is a gateway to a lot of fun history. There's more to knowing about guns than ARs, AKs, 870s and Remmy 700s (although I like those too!)
 
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I think I can identify all of them, except that bolt action that is next to the last.
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iamkris:
Looks like a Romanian 22 Trainer to me also.
I always wanted one of them, maybe time to warm up the CC and dust off the C&R. :D
 
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