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What can you tell me about semi-auto Uzi's? Worth owning one?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by SilverBomber, Dec 7, 2006.

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  1. SilverBomber

    SilverBomber Member

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    They seem like a handgun turned into a rifle. And for $1,000, it seems like a high price for a small 9mm round that won't do much damage.

    Obviously this was designed for full-auto, and has no sporting purpose.

    Would you consider owning one for defensive purposes?
     
  2. Clean97GTI

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    I'd have no problem using one as a home defense weapon as I'm currently using normal handguns right now.
     
  3. SilverBomber

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    Is there anything that makes them worth the cost?

    I believe there's a 32 rd mag. which is nice.
     
  4. thexrayboy

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    Is it worth owning? Depends on you really. It is as effective as any other 9mm
    of similar barrel length in terms of ballistic energy. It has the ability to accept large capacity mags, (as in 30+ rounds). It is well engineered. The fact that it is semi auto as opposed to full auto is for the most part a secondary consideration at best. Full auto is designed for military type endeavors. Few if any of us will ever face a situtation where we really really need full auto instead of semi auto. 1K$ is a fair amount for a weapon but many weapons such as the Kimbers etc. approach that price tag. It's really like any other choice of gun purchase. What are my needs, how does this fill my needs, and does the price match those criteria.

    Or you can be like me and some others. Buy it just because you can and it's a cool addition to the collection.
     
  5. Glockfan.45

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    First let me state that a weapons sporting purpose has nothing to do with its legitamacy before this goes any further. But no I think a semi-auto UZI is pointless. If you want a high capacity 9mm get a Glock and a few of their 33round mags. The semi UZI is just an overgrown pistol too big to be practical, and a clumsy rifle with a round too weak to be effective. But who am I to judge? If you want a SA UZI thats your right :confused: .
     
  6. Handgun Midas

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    Why would you even say something like that?

    Firearms are for freedom, protection, sport, and hunting - in any combination, mostly in that order.

    There's no personal firearm that has no sporting purpose.
    There's no personal firearm that has no hunting purpose.
    There's no personal firearm that has no protective purpose. (even .22)

    Declaring that any firearm lacks any of the above purposes is the divide&conquer
    tactic of the anti-gunners and I'm honestly surprised to see it pop up here.
     
  7. SilverBomber

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    you're right. I guess what I was trying to say was that this gun might be used more for defense, and not hunting/target shooting.

    Wrong choice of words on my part.
     
  8. Glockfan.45

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    Ok just watch your wording round here. Folks get kinda touchy when we here terms like "sporting purpose" that term gets guns banned. Like I said a glock with a 33 round magazine, or a real rifle would be a better choice IMO. The SA long barrel UZI is the answer to a problem that doesnt exist. Welcome to THR by the way.
     
  9. Handgun Midas

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    Personally, I think a a semi uzi is an oversized, overpriced package for 9mm.
    There are more ergonomic 9mm carbines out there, and they are likely cheaper.

    It you are serious about a defense gun, you should consider two things:

    1: Effective caliber for the job. There's enough opponents of 9mm as a defensive cartridge
    that you should give it some real thought, is all I'm saying. (have I contradicted myself? well, caliber can equate to confidence)

    2: What is your weapon going to look like to the DA and the sheeple jury when and if you use the weapon in home defense.
    To most people, the Uzi is an evil, scary, black thing; and it's apt to paint you in a whole different light than something with wood on it.

    On the other hand, maybe the uzi would be scary enough to frighten the intruder(s) away and you won't have to fire.
    Cuz how do they know it's not full auto? But I wouldn't count on it.

    If your shopping for an exclusive home defense gun, I'd begin by looking at shotguns, and then .357 wheelguns and .40 or .45 autos.


    Welcome to THR
     
  10. SilverBomber

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    Well I've got an AK that should work well as a home defense firearm. I just stumbled upon some uzi's for sale and started looking into them.

    I apologize for my wording, as you can see I don't have alot of experience with guns.

    But I have been trying to learn quickly in case of a ban.

    I bought an AK before I ever fired a gun before. I'm also going to be purchasing a .50 cal rifle, probably an Armalite AR50.

    For some reason anything that looks like it's going to be banned soon, I have to have one.
     
  11. thexrayboy

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    The terms "sporting purpose" and "firearms" should probably not be allowed to reside in the same location. "Sporting purpose" is just prose thought up to justify banning any guns that don't meet the artificially contrived standards of
    "sporting purpose". Whenever someone asks what is the "sporting purpose"
    of any particular firearm our reply as gun owners should be, "thats an irrelevant question. A gun does not have to meet a "sporting purpose" anymore than a motor vehicle needs to meet a "road race standard"." It simply needs to be engineered properly to perform its intended function, to wit, placing a bullet on target with maximum efficiency.
     
  12. gunsmith

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    pass on the 50 cal

    go for an AR10 and use the extra money left over for lots of ammo, you get a rifle that can shoot long distance, double as both hunting and battle rifle, proven "man stopper".

    for home defense an AK may over penetrate and go thru the bad guy, thru the wall and kill the nice person sleeping in their bed across the street.

    A shot gun or 9mm carbine should be fine for home defense
     
  13. El Tejon

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    Lots of fun.:) With the closed bolt you can smack stuff out to 100 with no problem.

    It's a range toy, but nothing wrong with having fun! Worth it depends on the buyer. Remember in the gun culture the subjective is objective.;)
     
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    Where did you see one for a grand? I bought my IMI used for 1,200.00.

    UZI's have several uses. I use mine for 3 gun competition and for PCC (pistol caliber carbine) competition.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Keith Wheeler

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    Alrighty, lots to cover here.

    Price: an original IMI will set you back a minimum of $1000, up to $1400, unless you want an IMI Mini Uzi, expect $2k. However there are Vector Arms and Norinco "clones" in the $600 to $800 range. The Norinco 320 is a clone, with typical Chinese ugly finish quality, but they are solid, and used to be cheap. A lot of Uzi owners have had Norincos as a "first" Uzi, myself included, and they are far more reliable than their ugly Chinese finish lets on. The Vector guns are partial clones, in that many of the receivers used were IMI, as well as a lot of the other parts. Some Vectors are built on Group Industry receivers, and some parts Vector had manufactured. IMI parts exchange with all Vector, Norinco, and Group Industries clones.

    Yes, there are cheaper, lighter weight civilian type pistol cal carbines out there. If that's what you want, great, go for it, however if you want some history and a bit more of an investment, go for an IMI Uzi.

    Uzis are reliable, simple, and designed to be field stripped and repaired with practically no tools. Barrel changes occur in seconds. There are more parts and accessories for Uzis than most civie pistol cal carbines combined. Don't want 9mm? How about .45? Or .40? If you just like being oddball, there's always .41AE. Too expensive? Convert to .22. And it takes longer to explain how to change calibers on an Uzi than to actually do it. Remove magazine and clear the weapon. Depress top cover latch, remove top cover. Remove bolt and striker assembly. Depress barrel nut catch, remove barrel nut and barrel. Replace barrel and bolt assembly with desired caliber. You're done, now your "underpowered" 9mm Uzi is a .40 or a .45.

    Gear geek? Shoulder holsters, scope mounts, side cocking uppers, rails, bayonets, lights, tons and tons of Israeli mags and web gear, fixed or folding stocks. Stick with IMI military or "Action Arms" civie market magazines. They are of high quality and reliable. 32 rnd IMI mags can be had for $15, if you know where to look.

    Got a few grand burning a hole in your pocket? Buy a registered bolt and you've got an SMG. Want the short barrel look but not the FA? File the $200 Form 1 for an SBR and $50 to $80 for a barrel and you've got a compact, 32 round, super reliable, very accurate 9mm that can fire +P+ sugbun ammo (not to be confused with +P pistol loads) all day long and fit in your briefcase. Don't want to deal with tax stamps? Well you can still pull the barrel and fit the thing in a briefcase.

    Want quiet? You don't need a special threaded barrel, the best suppressors for Uzis replace the barrel nut. (Note: only for SMG length barrels).

    Got collector fever? IMI, Vector, Norinco, Group Industries. Full size, mini, and pistol. Furniture is available in a wide range of colors. Buy a cheap(er) Norinco, and duracoat it desert tan with tan grips (one of my projects).

    History? Wow. From helping build/defend a nation to protecting presidents. My vector and my wife's Mini Uzi both have Hebrew selector markings, that's a nifty little bonus.

    Yeah, there are lighter, cheaper, more ergonomic "better" plastic civilians things out there, and again, if those are your criteria then you're better with lighter cheaper plastic. If you want history and something a bit more solid, go Uzi. There's an Uzi rental SMG at a range in Las Vegas that has fired over a million rounds. I wonder how many of the plastic 9mm carbine of the month guns will be able to make that claim in a few decades?

    Home defense? I live on some acreage in a semi-rural area. An SBR'ed Uzi with full stick sure feels nice in the passenger seat of the "farm truck". Even better is my wife's Mini Uzi. Still waiting on the Form 1 to come back on that one. In my mind that's a great little self/property defense item. The stability of a rifle with the manuverable envelope of a pistol, 32 rounds of ammo, and bet-your-life-on-it reliability.

    I love my Uzis. And so does everyone that I've let fire them. If you're ever my way, give me a shout, I love spreading the Uzi "sickness".

    Of course it doesn't hurt my feelings at all that they've got "Made in Israel" on the side (both our Vectors were built on IMI receivers).

    :)
     
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    Some of the internet noise about 9mm is about getting out of hand - too weak to be effective,small round that won't do damage?:barf:
     
  17. Logan5

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    Waaaay back when, I had one of the Action Arms/IMI micro's with the shoulder rig and three mags ($500 out the door!) It was actually quite accurate and very easy to shoot, even compared to full size 9mm service pistols like the (then cutting edge) Sig P226 or Beretta 92SB, since such a heavy 9mm is very steady even during recoil. Nice trigger too, opposite of what I expected. At 50 feet, it could really tear out a ten ring. It had a lot going for it as a pure range fun gun. And target shooting is a sport, you know. I have some trophies with a little guy with a gun on top to prove it.

    I wish I'd been smart enough to hang on to it and triple my money back... I hope it found a happy home. Since I live in what has since become a ban state, I'll probably never get a chance to own another one.
     
  18. Keith Wheeler

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    Not the best pic, here are two of ours with the barrels out.

    Oh, and here's my answer to SilverBomber's second question, much less long-winded than the answer to "what can you tell me...".

    "Worth owning one?" Nah. Most Uzi folks have more than one!

    Logan5 -- I'm not familiar with CT's laws. If your ban is a by make/model ban, look at the Norinco 320. That's why I bought one, I was in Cali when it was a by model ban, and while "Uzi" was on the list, "Norinco 320" wasn't.


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  19. armoredman

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    I had a Model B back about 17 years ago. Worst jammamatic I ever owned. Sorry, to the UZI purists, but that carbine made a Jennings look reliable. I traded it for a Spingfield 1911A1, a .380, (can't even remember what make, it was a gift for my brother.), and a PILE of ammo.
    The guy who bought it didn't want to shoot it, just for the lucky serial number...4 out of 5 were 7s.
     
  20. Keith Wheeler

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    Probably had a bad or filthy extractor. Debris will build up in the extrator hole in the bolt and you'll get a lot of FTE. Cleaning it usually does the trick. I've also seen damaged extractors/ejectors cause FTE. The semi extractor has, for whatever reason, a smaller claw than the SMG variant. Some folks swap 'em out and keep going.

    Also, an Uzi likes to run "wet".
     
  21. Justin

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    I have no use for one. A semi-auto UZI is just an overgrown pistol.
     
  22. Keith Wheeler

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    Yep. An incredibly accurate easy to shoot pistol with a buttstock. Difference between and Uzi and Glock with a frankenmag? You'll be able to hit stuff with the Uzi at 100 yards.
     
  23. 30 cal slob

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    semi auto uzi is a fun gun. why not?

    anyways, the full auto uzi subgun is a different proposition.

    marry it to an AWC MK-9 suppressor, and you have one heck of a schweet setup.

    those two were made for each other, like peanut butter 'n jelly.
     
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    To each their own. As far as I can tell, a semi-auto closed-bolt Uzi or MAC ultimately has one purpose that couldn't be served by a G17 with a 33-round mag or a decent 9mm carbine - it actually more or less looks like a submachine gun. If that is worth the extra money (and I can understand why one might think so), then more power to you. As for myself, assuming I already had a reliable high-capacity handgun and an intermediate-caliber selfloading rifle, I'd almost rather spend the money on a bunch of high-end airsoft replicas, as my pleasure in owning a Vector Uzi, for example, would consist primarily in looking at it. But that's just me, and diversity of opinion makes the firearms world go round.

    One further thing - semiauto clones of AKs, ARs, FALs, etc., are a little different than the type of gun under discussion here. At least in most types I'm aware of, semi-auto SMG clones have a substantially different mechanism than their military and police-issue counterparts. The Uzi and the MAC, as I understand it, were designed to be simple, cheap, and dissipate chamber heat quickly, and thus fire from an open bolt. Redesigned to be closed-bolt semi-autos, they become giant, heavy, and comparatively expensive pistols.

    This is not the case with many of the semi-auto assault and battle rifles available today - apart from the modifications to the trigger group, many are essentially mechanically identical to their select-fire versions, small variations to the bolt, receiver, etc., aside. Even only able to fire a single shot per trigger pull, an Arsenal AK still brings to the table all the features that make an original Russian AKM reliable - bolt over-travel, oversized gas system, etc. And a Bushmaster AR has all the stuff that helps make a real M16 accurate - direct gas impingement, non-reciprocating charging handle, and so on.

    Finally, I want an HK VP70. It's huge, magazines are hard to come by, the slide doesn't lock open, and I'm told it has the worst DAO trigger pull ever. So what? They're cool, and they were featured in Aliens. Good enough reasons for me. :)
     
  25. Keith Wheeler

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    Some full-auto Uzis (mini Uzi, micro Uzi) were closed bolt.

    The big difference, mechanically, between semi and SMG Uzis, is the bolt. Fixed firing pin on the classic open bolt SMG, a floating "striker" assembly on the semi. The other mechanical differences are there due to American regs. The SMG lower and semi lower are the same, except there's a block to keep the semi lower from going to the forward full auto position. You can make a semi bolt from an SMG bolt; many of the Vector bolts were made this way.

    Again, heavy pistols with buttstocks and very low recoil. My wife's mini Uzi is one of the fastest cycling semis I've ever handled. You can burn through a 32 rnd mag fast, and since 1) it has a buttstock, and 2) it's heavy, the grouping is incredible, considering the ROF. And I'd love to see a pistol that can handle the subgun ammo an Uzi will eat.

    Arg. Anyway, enough talk.

    When are all you high capacity Glock guys gonna come to Arkansas so we can cut the talk and set up some targets? :D
     
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