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what could make my 10/22 more accurate than this?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by FlyinBryan, May 27, 2009.

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  1. FlyinBryan

    FlyinBryan Member

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    right now my benchrest 22 is a 10/22 with a green mountain target barrel.

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    its fairly accurate and lots of fun, but ive seen others that look similar that will consistantly shoot 1/4" -3/8".

    mine is more like 1/2" @ 50yds.

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    my question is, what are those guys using?

    im familiar with clark custom, voltsquartsen, and shaw barrels, but could i expect better from them? and if not, what brands are those super accurate guys using. (i suppose i coulda asked but didnt)

    these guys were shooting groups the size of plain m&m's, and as you can see, mine are closer to the peanut kind.

    the green mountain im shooting now was about 100 bux, but i wouldnt mind having a premium brand, and since its really a benchrest rifle im not too worried about the weight.
     
  2. 10-Ring

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    A buddy has almost $2k into his. First time I saw him shoot it, it was like he missed the other shots...the only thing still Ruger is the receiver
    But $2k? Sorry, not me.
    I just wanna make cans dance! ;)
     
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  3. P.B.Walsh

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    2k....!.!!!!!!! on a 22....!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!
     
  4. FlyinBryan

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    ya, i cant see putting 2k into one for what i want, but i could see maybe 250 or 3.

    what im wondering is will i see improvement by going with a clark or a voltsquartsen.

    its all stock other than the barrel, i suppose i could pick up a match trigger and hammer and see what that would do.

    thats what i was seeing from these guys. i shoulda asked what they were using, but i didnt wanna look like a nube.

    lol, i shoulda just looked like one.

    i did notice that the barrels they were using were fluted but not normally, but more like a spiral cut (dont know what its called.)
     
  5. browningguy

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    Do the trigger first, that can make quite a big difference. And don't forget to practice a lot, 1/4" groups at 50 yards requires technique as well as equipment. Then make sure you try a couple of different match ammo types to find the one your rifle really likes.
     
  6. BornAgainBullseye

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    I would go with a target hammer only! Try looking into the different ways to "bed" the action into the stock. Really tricky and different on a 10/22 but you will get less stringing in your groups. Check and recheck your v block use a 1/4" drive torque wrench and make sure they are at spec which I cannot recall. I'm sure sombody here knows it off the top of their head. I'd try to get as much out of your barrel before scrapping it. But if you are determined to can it P.M me and ill but it from ya. I got clover leaf .5" groups from my butler creek stainless barrel before I sold it to a friend. I now have a thin 16 inch cut and 11 degree crowned ruger barrel that came on the gun. Shooting .6 groups with green tags at 50 yards in the synthetic ruger stock. So it just takes some attention in the right places and a steady trigger pull to shoot micro groups. Good luck.
     
  7. flipajig

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    your groops looks like a stock problem. also a good trigger is just as important as the barrel one thought is check out to see what a gun smith would work your trigger over for you. I had my encor worked on and it only cost my fourty bucks. If your interested in selling your barrel pm me and its sold.
     
  8. Ratshooter

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    Make sure your barrel is really clean.

    Lose the bi-pod and sand bag your rifle front and back.

    It might be hard to do right now but find as many different kinds of 22 ammo as you can and experiment with all of it. I did that myself a long time ago. It was a real eye opener about 22s and the ammo they like.

    After this you can start checking and making changes to the gun. It wont hurt to check the action screws also.
     
  9. Fumbler

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    To make your 10/22 more accurate, you could:

    -Never post your average group. Only post your best groups.

    -Ditch the Hogue for a laminate stock or high quality synthetic

    -Bed the action and first couple inches of the barrel, float the rest of the barrel.

    -Never remove the barrel from the action once you've bedded the stock

    -Headspace the bolt

    -Add a set screw to the rear of the reciever that presses the trigger group forward to remove any play. Do this before bedding and make sure you get some good bedding in behind the trigger guard

    -Shoot it a lot. The bolt seems to settle in as the parts wear making it return to battery more consistently. Shoot a lot of different ammo to try and find the best ones. You might be surprised at what shoots well.

    Some of those things are pure speculation, but I figure removing all variables will at least not hurt accuracy.
    I gave up on accurizing my 10/22 a long time ago but I still remember a thing or two about accurizing them. I got mine just as a plinker and it's much more fun plinking with a light rifle.
     
  10. Dirtpile

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    I agree, lose the bi-pod. They stress the stock and on a synthetic can make the stock touch the barrel.
    You may want to bed the action and verify that the barrel is free floating too.
    If that doesn't help then try bedding the barrel too. It should take anything more than a hard rubber pad under the barrel near the end of the foreend.
    And the trigger is an upgrade you won't regret. If you don't mind spending a bit look at the Kidd trigger. You can order them with a pull as light as 6oz but unless this is strictly a benchrest gun you may want to go a little heavier. Even the heaviest (2.5lbs) is a tremendous upgrade from the stock trigger.
     
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    lol, no doubt. actually those 4 were some of the better ones i shot that day. i shot 7 groups in all and im pretty sure those 4 were the best ones. there might have been one close to, or better than one of those that you can count the holes on.

    this is a good idea i think. the super accurate guys there were all shooting laminates now that yiou mention it.

    i can do this and its a great point.

    i just stabbed the barrel and cranked down the 2 bolts. very good point.

    i also have a nephew who said he has a voltsquarten hammer and trigger set he will just give me. he said its new in the package with instructions.

    im planning on getting it shooting a little better and doing gvnwst's rimfire match. even though those cz and target rifle guys will smoke me, it will be fun.
     
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  12. torpedoman

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    bedding will fix the vertical stringing. use a good rest under the magazine of the 10-22 when shooting groups. A precision chambered barrel is needed if you gun will eject unfired rounds when cycled by hand it is not a precision chamber.
     
  13. FlyinBryan

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    ya, im gonna lose the bipod and see what happens

    yes, its a really tight little chamber.

    it wont eject by hand, if it goes in, it gets shot out.

    here lately the range master comes out with the loud speaker and it sounds like this.

    "cease fire, cease fire!!!!! shooters unload and lock all actions!!!! and bryan!!!! fire your last shot!!!!!!!"

    "ok, lines safe to check and post targets!!!!!!!!"
     
  14. Uncle Mike

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    Well, you know what they say... the bigger or more expensive looking your rifle is, the bigger your gun looks!:neener:

    You have a pretty good rig there... try some high end ammo, say Eley EPS-

    If it wont shoot with EPS then you may want to start saving some money.

    I have a CZ that will put 5 shots into 3/8" at 50y, using the Eley Match EPS-
    Yeah... Off the bags! no wind, no thermals.....2 shots of scotch.
     
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    Since your stringing is mostly vertical look at some technique issues in no particular order. It may not be any 1 thing but a combo of them. It could still be a rifle issue. Here are some items to consider:

    1. Is your breating consistent - Are you shooting with the same amount of air in your lungs?

    2. Your bipod should not be loaded fully forward or rearward. They drag on some surfaces during recoil.

    3. Is your seating position OK? An adjustable seat height may help you.

    4. Cheek weld

    5. Put something more definite to aim at.

    I find I do better prone. I don't have a good bench technique. That is partly due to most ranges I go to have no or funky benches.
     
  16. Dimis

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    it may not just be the barrel GM is a good barrel so i cant discount that its capable
    have you done any action work trigger work?
    i can suggest tony kid from Kidd Customs
    http://www.coolguyguns.com/
    he also has barrels
    my Butler Creek 20 inch is shooting descent groups at 50 about 1/2 inch or so and thats a "cheap" replacement
     
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    that last part almost got me choked on a piece of chick-o-stick.

    lol, the groups i posted were shot with winchester wildcat. 20 bux a brick of 500 at bass pro shops.

    yes i should try some good ammo.

    actually i did try some match stuff that a friend gave me but i cant remember what it was. it was in a baby blue box, but i dont remember it really being any better.

    lol, probably not, good point.

    actually, the whole of your post is probably a good place to look.

    to be perfectly honest, the deliberate areas of my target shooting habits are as follows.

    step 1. try to put the reticles on target.

    squeeze the trigger while attempting step 1.

    in other words, i am sure that i need to do something about my technique (like get one, lol)

    i should do a search or a thread on precision shooting techniques.
     
  18. Clifford

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    All this talk of trigger control, beding barrels and ammo is BS. EVERYONE knows an accurate gun has to have a red dot laser, halo sight, folding telescopic stock, 30+ round mag, muzzle brake, bayonet lug, pistol grip, light mount and a single point sling! Also to shoot it correctly you must have the tactical pants and vest. Take care of that and your groups will shrink instantly.
    :evil::D:evil::D
     
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    You're getting MOA out of a 10/22 you're already ahead of the curve.
     
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    I would try cheap stuff before spending a lot of money on uh...10/22. I probably have put in a few hundred, but it's a 22....once I started shooting 17 HMR, I kind of lost interest, not to mention my 308, 223, etc....

    If someone's gonna "give" you some Volts trigger group, that would probably help. I would pick up some better ammo....some ammo fires supersonic and loses stability when it becomes subsonic, although I wonder if that would happen at short distance that you are shooting....

    then shoot A LOT and work on breathing. The grouping does separte vertically on your pics and that makes me wonder about breathing/technique. Shoot a LOT and figure out if you can find a pattern between your breathing and grouping.
     
  22. Uncle Mike

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    Clifford, you forgot the 1-88X78mm fancy pants busy reticle, super tall micro engraved resettable double turn target sniper turrets, double thick wall 1 piece nasa coated tube with only the finest swiss made glass, scope!

    :neener:
     
  23. FlyinBryan

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    hey king, he was talking to me (or at least i think he was, lol, i answered him to it in post #12. i checked out your target and that is amazing for a factory rifle. no doubt if i put my factory barrel back on, and tried to match it i wouldnt stand a chance. i think he was talking about mine because mine should really be better for a 7lb target barrel.


    you wouldnt believe the groups these guys at the range were shooting with their 10/22s.

    lol, some of their five shot groups actually looked like 1 shot.

    i mean an almost perfectly round hole for 5 shots. i couldnt believe it.

    i didnt know it was even possible. i had to spy on them to see if they were pulling my leg.
     
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    Yeah, King I was talking to FlyinBryan.
    It's just a little humor ;)
     
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    Do I need one? No. Do I want one? Oh yeah!
    I wouldnt worry about it :cool: those are great shots, I dont think a target is 2mm apart. if you can shoot under 3inchs your good :cool: I dont get into the mm's as long as my bullets dont spread past 3 inchs apart I am good.
     
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