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What countrys use 7.62x51mm Battle rifles

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Brother in Arms, Feb 21, 2006.

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  1. Brother in Arms

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    Hey everyone
    Seems that the topic of M14's and other battle rifles always comes up. Also many countrys are supposed to be using 5.56X45mm rifles by now. Anyway I was looking at military pictures from around the world and it made me wonder how many countries still use 7.62X51mm battle rifles. Here is what I found so far.

    Mexico ,G3A3 rifle copy
    Norway,G3A3 rifle copy
    Kenya, G3A3 rifle copy
    Pakistan,G3A3 rifle copy
    Turkey,G3A3 rifle copy

    I am interested in countries where a 7.62x51mm battle rifle is PRIMARY rifle of the country.

    Thanks

    Brother in Arms
     
  2. mp510

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    The pictures of the Iranian Soldiers that I see on the news look like they are carrying G-3's.
     
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    Iran have a license to make G3s for its military. They also use ak47 variants and a number of other rifles.
     
  4. ghost squire

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    Most countries hanging on to them are doing so because it would be too costly to switch I think. G3s are cheap to make compared to FALs which is why you won't see many countries still using it.

    As to the whole 7.62 thing its cheaper to train troops to both spray and pray and to shoot accurately with 5.56, depending on the countries budget, which is why you don't see to many 7.62s period.

    Its a beancounters game man.
     
  5. Bridger

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    Brazil uses FALs I believe.
     
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    I have an Argentine FSL that was manufactured for their police force. I dont know if they still use them though mine is pre 89.
     
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    i think most of NATO was using fal's for a while until they swiched to the m-16
     
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    When I was in Rwanda I saw a lot of the private security guards carrying FALs, while almost all of the military forces I saw were carrying AKs.
     
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    when i saw in India I saw mostly FN FAL rifles in the hands of the military, but also a few new INSAS rifles around the airport (soldiers in pillboxes behind sandbags at Indira Gandhi international).
     
  10. steveracer

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    uhhhh. The US.

    I'm acive duty Navy, and I see more M-14s than any other long arm. I shoot one about once a month, and inventory them frequently. We had 19 of them on my ship, and only ten shotguns, and no other long arms. As far as I know, they ADDED M-14s since I left, and got rid of a couple of the 870s in favor of the 590 (Aluminum rusts less, and therefore the Mossy is preferred by many ship captains)
    So, to answer your question: We the people of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect Union, put M-14s in the hands of sailors who needed them, and .308 in their magazines.
     
  11. Brother in Arms

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    Good Point Steve the U.S. Navy's standard rifle is the M14. I was going to add them to the list. The Navy is unique in that way. I guess sailors in subs use the M16 but I think thats about it. I have two freinds in the Navy and they both said they used M14's. Also one of them said his ship has mossberg 500's on board. The other one said his ship still had a few M1's but mostly for Parade purposes.

    I think who evere said cost was a reason you don't see so many FAL's is right on the money. Now a days you mostly see surplused ones in Africa and some in south America. I think Argentina might still use the FAL.

    Thanks everyone keep the Data coming.

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  12. steveracer

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    I should add Germany.

    I was invited to a German Rifle match in Kiel about a year ago, and we shot both G-3s and .22lr converted G-3s. Tough guns to shoot well, as the triggers sucked pretty bad compared to our M-14s. Naturally, we couldn't bring our weapons.
    So, add them to your list.
     
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    Are the current U.S Navy M14s select fire, or are they converted to semi only?
     
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    Sweden's Home Guard still uses the AK-4 (Licensed G-3), but the rest of their armed forces use the AK-5 (FNC, 5.56).

    Intresting that most of the countries that still use 7.62nato use G-3 rifles.

    I.G.B.
     
  15. ghost squire

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    As I said it is primarily because the HK is much cheaper.
     
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    I am pretty sure the Republic of South Africa still uses FAL's. There are many other nations that use M14's around the world purchased from our government. I saw a documentary not very long ago on the African genocide problem; troops trying to keep the peace were carrying M1's Garand's.
     
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    The OP Specifically asked which nations use a .308 for their primary rifle. While the Navy does use the M14 for Force Protection/Ship's Defense, the M16A2 is still the standard service rifle of U.S. Armed forces.

    M16A3s are also used for Force Protection as are Mossberg 500 shotguns. As a Marine Aviation Ordnanceman aboard the U.S.S. John C. Stennis CVN-74, I was tasked with assisting with Ship's Defense. We were issued Mossbergs, M14s or M16A3s, (Made by FN,) and sometimes an M9 pistol. In the interests of time, some of us Marines were given the M16A3 instead of the M14, because we were all intimately familiar with the M16. The M14 required familiarization for Navy and Marine, but we were already spooled up on the M16.

    (BTW, to avoid confusion the M16A3 is not a flat-top M16A2, it is essentially an M16A2 made by FN with a full auto position as opposed to Colt's 3 round burst on the M16A2. I believe only the Navy bought them.)
     
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  18. Brother in Arms

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    Interesting post no brakes

    South Africa used to the use the FAL (R1)then replaced it with the R4 (Galil varaint) Now im not sure what they use.

    Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania got many M14 from US. Also Many of the Carribean Nations use FAL variants. I believe Ethiopia also got many M14 from us. I actually saw pics of there UN soldiers in the first gulf war carrying them.

    Perhaps I should do some more research.

    Thanks
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    The flat top is the M16A4.
     
  20. Raygun

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    From what I understand, as far as US military type classification goes, both the M16A3 and M16A4 are flat tops. The A3 has a full-auto trigger group whereas the A4 is burst-limited like the A2.
     
  21. Brother in Arms

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    I think you are correct Raygun
    However, what about contries using 7.62nato battle rifles????

    Brother in Arms
     
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    I thought the marines used the A4 and the army the A2.
     
  23. steveracer

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    Our M-14s are mostly semi.

    But a very few of them (with beautiful birch stocks) are full auto. We call these "red tag" guns due to the inherent dangers of putting a full-auto weapon in the hands of someone trained on a semi only.
     
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    India still issues the Enfield 2A. While a bolt action, it is still a battle rifle. The action is so smooth and quick that it is almost as fast as a semi-auto gun. I own one and I love it. Only problem is that the sights suck. (Want to put a scope or something on it.)
     
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    Be advised, the term "battle rifle" has no more official meaning than the term "assault weapon", perhaps even less.

    Mike
     
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