What do the LEO members of THR think of the potential AWB?
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coloradokevin
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Posts 48 and 49 hit it for my agency as well. We are absolutely prohibited from discussing this issue, for or against, when in uniform, or as "representatives of the department".
So, as you may notice, while I'll reveal my law enforcement status online, I don't speak directly of my agency. Many folks I know on THR already know where I work, but it isn't something I broadcast on here, for fear of running afoul of my agencies rules on this subject.
As has already been said, I don't accomplish anything for anyone (including myself) if I go and make a political statement in violation of this policy, and find myself fired for doing so. Regardless, as an individual who is also a police officer, I think I've made my views clear.
Also, for those of you who are soliciting a bunch of officers to publicly pledge to not enforce laws, you're probably asking a lot, for the same reasons I posted above. All I'm going to say is that we each swore an oath to defend the constitution of the United States when we took these jobs. Officers generally have enforcement discretion as well. I know some guys who never write traffic tickets, and others who never really look for dope. Everyone has their "specialty". But, asking officers to publicly pledge to not enforce a law isn't something that you can really expect will result in an overwhelming response.
So, as you may notice, while I'll reveal my law enforcement status online, I don't speak directly of my agency. Many folks I know on THR already know where I work, but it isn't something I broadcast on here, for fear of running afoul of my agencies rules on this subject.
As has already been said, I don't accomplish anything for anyone (including myself) if I go and make a political statement in violation of this policy, and find myself fired for doing so. Regardless, as an individual who is also a police officer, I think I've made my views clear.
Also, for those of you who are soliciting a bunch of officers to publicly pledge to not enforce laws, you're probably asking a lot, for the same reasons I posted above. All I'm going to say is that we each swore an oath to defend the constitution of the United States when we took these jobs. Officers generally have enforcement discretion as well. I know some guys who never write traffic tickets, and others who never really look for dope. Everyone has their "specialty". But, asking officers to publicly pledge to not enforce a law isn't something that you can really expect will result in an overwhelming response.
Kevin Rohrer
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Politically appointed police chiefs are the soul occupants in this category. Most popularly elected county Sheriffs and the vast majority of LEOs (including me) are against the AWB or any other gun control. We understand that a public that is armed, is a public that experiences little crime.
An armed society is a polite society--Robert Heinlein via The Guru
LeonCarr
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When I became a LEO I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution Of The United States (ALL OF IT) and the laws of The State Of Texas.
In 18 years of Law Enforcement I have yet to recover/take into evidence a firearm used the commission of an offense that was legally obtained.
Also, law abiding citizens should be armed because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
In 18 years of Law Enforcement I have yet to recover/take into evidence a firearm used the commission of an offense that was legally obtained.
Also, law abiding citizens should be armed because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Just my .02,
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Myself and many others are against it here. The sspba that most officers in this area are a member of, even put out a statement against the AWB.
I agree as well that post 48 and 49 brought out a good point, that the majority of the officers can not speak out for/against anything in uniform.
I agree as well that post 48 and 49 brought out a good point, that the majority of the officers can not speak out for/against anything in uniform.
LEO for 21+ years, never have been, never will be for gun control. It doesn't work, and I am not comfortable with only the police and military being armed. I'm against the AWB, was against the Brady Bill, will be against anything proposed.
As far as not enforcing laws, you guys are barking up the wrong tree. LEO's don't legislate, we enforce. We have discretion in many cases, but many times we do not. I have been talked to by "Oath Keepers" about not enforcing laws deemed "unconstitutional" (which is for the Supreme Court to decide the last time I checked), it ain't gonna happen.
Cops vote too, that is generally where we do our talking. Unfortunately lately one side of the political spectrum (that generally sides with gun rights) has decided we no longer deserve our pensions, insurance and salaries. This has pushed many who were in the middle squarely over to the other side. Labor issues overriding gun rights issues. I will not change the subject, just letting you all know the state of things in my part of the world
In summary, I'm against it. Most of my coworkers are too, but there always has been and always will be the nanny types in my profession who don't think anyone should have guns
As far as not enforcing laws, you guys are barking up the wrong tree. LEO's don't legislate, we enforce. We have discretion in many cases, but many times we do not. I have been talked to by "Oath Keepers" about not enforcing laws deemed "unconstitutional" (which is for the Supreme Court to decide the last time I checked), it ain't gonna happen.
Cops vote too, that is generally where we do our talking. Unfortunately lately one side of the political spectrum (that generally sides with gun rights) has decided we no longer deserve our pensions, insurance and salaries. This has pushed many who were in the middle squarely over to the other side. Labor issues overriding gun rights issues. I will not change the subject, just letting you all know the state of things in my part of the world
In summary, I'm against it. Most of my coworkers are too, but there always has been and always will be the nanny types in my profession who don't think anyone should have guns
who really cares if police are "against" gun laws when they will lock you up for it anyway. if cops teachers and firemen were not bankrupting every local county and state govt there would not be a movement by the gop to limit them. the governor in Wisconsin exempted police and firemen from the collective bargaining ban. what a joke Wisconsin will save nothing that way
Guys (and Gals), I just want to make something clear about my initial question. I in no way want you to mention what department you work for. If you want to say the state, that's fine. It's up to you. I don't want anyone getting in trouble over this thread topic. And I appreciate the input so far.
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