What Do You Carry?

[ThomasT]

This doesn't quite address a pocket that is also a full holster, but recently I bought some 5.11 tactical pants that are built for carry. They are like suped up cargo or hiking pants. There is a mag carrier pocket, etc. The next level up of pants even has practically invisible inline knee pads.

ALWAYS BE READY (511tactical.com)

I got them as hiking pants and an alternative to jeans which I already have. They've worked great so far though for having a pocket gun and mag in the magazine pocket.

I like those. I like the Ranger Green color too. I prefer earth tone colors in clothes so they can double as hunting dress.

 

[Autodidactic]

I like those. I like the Ranger Green color too. I prefer earth tone colors in clothes so they can double as hunting dress.

Me too, I got ones with khaki color.

 

[Rexster]

One thing that opened my mind on this is in the Paul Harrel video on these black powder pistols, he mentions that some people live in countries where that is all they are allowed to own, OR, due to their legal history that is all they are allowed to own. I think he states that this is why the topic of their efficacy is worth covering. For some people it's their only option for a firearm.

Even in “free states,” within the USA, there can be some places where firearms are prohibited, but where a cap-and-call pistols and long guns MAY fall outside the legal definition of a “firearm.” Obviously, one should carefully check the state and local laws and codes, to include the sections where “firearm” is defined, which may well be written in a separate area than the actual statutes.

So, I can nominate my Ruger Old Army for “situational carry.”

I am not a lawyer, so this is not legal advice, and, it is better to further debate/discuss this in the Legal section of THR.

 

[Rexster]

Thankfully, I do not (yet) have hand/finger strength issues, to the extent that it affects my ability to pull DA triggers. I do keep my single-action sixgunning skills at a workable level, for the time that long-stroke DA may become a problem. Notably, one does not practice single-action sixgunning, at a high level. by merely cocking the hammer of a DA revolver, as some basic mechanical principles are different.

Edited to add: I had meant to type this reply in the topic regarding revolvers for those with aging hands, but it has some relevance, here, so, I will leave it here, too.

 

[LeftyRed]

What was the brand?

RigeCut Work Wear

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Thankfully, I do not (yet) have hand/finger strength issues, to the extent that it affects my ability to pull DA triggers. I do keep my single-action sixgunning skills at a workable level, for the time that long-stroke DA may become a problem. Notably, one does not practice single-action sixgunning, at a high level. by merely cocking the hammer of a DA revolver, as some basic mechanical principles are different.

Edited to add: I had meant to type this reply in the topic regarding revolvers for those with aging hands, but it has some relevance, here, so, I will leave it here, too.

I know a gent, has competed with a Colt SAA so much over the decades, he had to have it rebarreled, and got tired of changing guts, so he hard chromed everything. When I say he’s *good*... he’s *good*. I wouldn’t wanna face him in a duel

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Thankfully, I do not (yet) have hand/finger strength issues, to the extent that it affects my ability to pull DA triggers. I do keep my single-action sixgunning skills at a workable level, for the time that long-stroke DA may become a problem. Notably, one does not practice single-action sixgunning, at a high level. by merely cocking the hammer of a DA revolver, as some basic mechanical principles are different.

Edited to add: I had meant to type this reply in the topic regarding revolvers for those with aging hands, but it has some relevance, here, so, I will leave it here, too.

Nothing to running a Colt ‘73 pattern single action, long as you know how... let the gun run itself... you just hold on and aim the thing.

 

[Kleanbore]

I know a gent, has competed with a Colt SAA so much over the decades, he had to have it rebarreled, and got tired of changing guts, so he hard chromed everything. When I say he’s *good*... he’s *good*. I wouldn’t wanna face him in a duel

The thread is about pocket carry.

 

[Kleanbore]

Nothing to running a Colt ‘73 pattern single action, long as you know how... let the gun run itself... you just hold on and aim the thing.

Well, one does have to cock the hammer.
Rexter's comment was about using a DA/SA revolver in SA mode when age so dictates. DA is far preferred for SD carry for many of the same reasons that it was for LE.

 

[Autodidactic]

Even in “free states,” within the USA, there can be some places where firearms are prohibited, but where a cap-and-call pistols and long guns MAY fall outside the legal definition of a “firearm.” Obviously, one should carefully check the state and local laws and codes, to include the sections where “firearm” is defined, which may well be written in a separate area than the actual statutes.

So, I can nominate my Ruger Old Army for “situational carry.”

I am not a lawyer, so this is not legal advice, and, it is better to further debate/discuss this in the Legal section of THR.

Interesting points on the definitions and locations. In my state, you can’t have firearms in the car without a ccw, but I think guns over 18 inch barrels aren’t “firearms,” and you can keep one in the trunk.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Well, one does have to cock the hammer.
Rexter's comment was about using a DA/SA revolver in SA mode when age so dictates. DA is far preferred for SD carry for many of the same reasons that it was for LE.

Not again... everyone here knows this. We’ve heard it ad nauseam.

 

[Kleanbore]

Not again... everyone here knows this. We’ve heard it ad nauseam.

So--you know it, you've heard it. Were you simply disregarding it, or were you posting off-topic for some reason that is not obvious?

 

[Mr. Mosin]

So--you know it, you've heard it. Were you simply disregarding it, or were you posting off-topic for some reason that is not obvious?

Eh... let’s go with Option #1: “Disregarding It”. I fundamentally disagree with DAO shooting in a revolver where SA shooting is possible. There is no reason for me to not use a lighter, crisper, “easier to be accurate” single action pull *when I intend to make a shot*. And before someone pulls out the spiel about cops having their revolvers converted to DAO function because they accidentally shot someone... let’s not forget the ole “thumb under hammer” technique that should by all rights be common knowledge by now in the gun community. Let’s also not forget that most cops were absolutely incompetent with their duty weapon.

 

[trackskippy]

Eh... let’s go with Option #1: “Disregarding It”. I fundamentally disagree with DAO shooting in a revolver where SA shooting is possible. There is no reason for me to not use a lighter, crisper, “easier to be accurate” single action pull *when I intend to make a shot*. And before someone pulls out the spiel about cops having their revolvers converted to DAO function because they accidentally shot someone... let’s not forget the ole “thumb under hammer” technique that should by all rights be common knowledge by now in the gun community. Let’s also not forget that most cops were absolutely incompetent with their duty weapon.

Ive seen a few that still are. But, as with most shooters, thats never been the guns fault.

Once you actually learn to shoot a DA revolver DAO, you see the light and understand. Those who havent, just havent yet seen the light.

I havent thumb cocked a DA revolver in decades, and my DAO groups, revolver or auto, are pretty much always tighter/smaller than my SA groups. I can also shoot more accurately, quickly too, and I think thats pretty obvious why.

I think whats at play here, is the trigger insecurity, and worrying about it, instead of focusing on the sights and target. Once you figure that out, and get your muscle tone up where it belongs, "the light" will emerge, and youre on your way. And once you get there, ALL of your shooting will improve, not just that DA revolver.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Ive seen a few that still are. But, as with most shooters, thats never been the guns fault.

Once you actually learn to shoot a DA revolver DAO, you see the light and understand. Those who havent, just havent yet seen the light.

I havent thumb cocked a DA revolver in decades, and my DAO groups, revolver or auto, are pretty much always tighter/smaller than my SA groups. I can also shoot more accurately, quickly too, and I think thats pretty obvious why.

I think whats at play here, is the trigger insecurity, and worrying about it, instead of focusing on the sights and target. Once you figure that out, and get your muscle tone up where it belongs, "the light" will emerge, and youre on your way. And once you get there, ALL of your shooting will improve, not just that DA revolver.

You’re. Not. Helping. Lol

 

[trackskippy]

LOL. Hey, this could be a Blues Brothers moment. How are your back flips?

 

[Mr. Mosin]

LOL. Hey, this could be a Blues Brothers moment. How are your back flips?

They suck

 

[ThomasT]

Eh... let’s go with Option #1: “Disregarding It”. I fundamentally disagree with DAO shooting in a revolver where SA shooting is possible. There is no reason for me to not use a lighter, crisper, “easier to be accurate” single action pull *when I intend to make a shot*. And before someone pulls out the spiel about cops having their revolvers converted to DAO function because they accidentally shot someone... let’s not forget the ole “thumb under hammer” technique that should by all rights be common knowledge by now in the gun community. Let’s also not forget that most cops were absolutely incompetent with their duty weapon.

I pretty much disagree with everything in this post. In the early 1990s I shot the falling plate matches every month. I never fired a single round single action. All of my shots were double action first with a model 19 and later a GP-100. And I won a big shelf full of trophies over a 3 year period. My uncle ran the match and I ran the timer. Once after I shot my turn I saw a guy behind me talking to my uncle and he said if you took all 6 of my shots and put them on one plate my group would have been around the two inch mark centered on the plate. My uncle agreed with him.

And there were 2-5 cops that shot those matches with us and I promise you every one of them could drill yer ass shooting their revolvers. My uncle was also a cop and shot on several pistol teams. Two walls in his den were covered from 3 foot up to the ceiling with awards and medals for his shooting ability.

I have shot double action so much I forget my revolvers can be cocked to fire. I rarely ever shoot single action. Its best not to lump everything and everyone together and think thats the way it is. Because most times it is not. If you ever get some real time under your belt firing double action I bet you change your mind. Its not nearly as hard as you think.

 

[Kleanbore]

I fundamentally disagree with DAO shooting in a revolver where SA shooting is possible.

What SD training have you had that would lead you to that opinion?

There is no reason for me to not use a lighter, crisper, “easier to be accurate” single action pull *when I intend to make a shot

Another thought that training would dispel.

And before someone pulls out the spiel about cops having their revolvers converted to DAO function because they accidentally shot someone..

That "spiel" is history.

Let’s also not forget that most cops were absolutely incompetent with their duty weapon.

Compared to whom?
Mr. Mosin, you would be better off with your finger on the "receive" button rather than "send", and posting about subjects of which you have a reasonable degree of understanding. This is clearly not one of them.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

What SD training have you had that would lead you to that opinion?
Another thought that training would dispel.
That "spiel" is history.
Compared to whom?
Mr. Mosin, you would be better off with your finger on the "receive" button rather than "send", and posting about subjects of which you have a reasonable degree of understanding. This is clearly not one of them.

Perhaps it ain’t... but ya wanna know what really cracks me up ? People tend to forget that Frank Hamer went up against Clyde and Bonnie with a Remington Mdl 8... and a SAA on his hip. In his hand, when he approached the car... against literal machine gun fire.

People also tend to forget that Jim Cirillo swore by a Mdl 10 with 148grn full wadcutters well into the age of autoloader and expanding bullets... again, facing machine gun fire. In competent and skilled hands, these “obsolete” weapons are plenty capable.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

I pretty much disagree with everything in this post. In the early 1990s I shot the falling plate matches every month. I never fired a single round single action. All of my shots were double action first with a model 19 and later a GP-100. And I won a big shelf full of trophies over a 3 year period. My uncle ran the match and I ran the timer. Once after I shot my turn I saw a guy behind me talking to my uncle and he said if you took all 6 of my shots and put them on one plate my group would have been around the two inch mark centered on the plate. My uncle agreed with him.

And there were 2-5 cops that shot those matches with us and I promise you every one of them could drill yer ass shooting their revolvers. My uncle was also a cop and shot on several pistol teams. Two walls in his den were covered from 3 foot up to the ceiling with awards and medals for his shooting ability.

I have shot double action so much I forget my revolvers can be cocked to fire. I rarely ever shoot single action. Its best not to lump everything and everyone together and think thats the way it is. Because most times it is not. If you ever get some real time under your belt firing double action I bet you change your mind. Its not nearly as hard as you think.

There are exceptions to every rule, my good friend.

 

[ThomasT]

Perhaps it ain’t... but ya wanna know what really cracks me up ? People tend to forget that Frank Hamer went up against Clyde and Bonnie with a Remington Mdl 8... and a SAA on his hip. In his hand, when he approached the car... against literal machine gun fire.

You know Dan I sent you the link to the B&C website and told you about the story of the killing of B&C as told by Ted Hinton before he died. Frank Hamer Stayed hidden right there in the bushes with Many Gault, Ted Hinton, Bob Alcorn, Prentiss Oakly and the Louisiana Sheriff whose name I can't remember and never showed his face. And he only fired two shots with his model 8 and none from his hogleg. I sent you all the history and you didn't learn any of it.

Prentiss Oakley fired the first shot that was fired in the ordeal and hit Clyde in the head and killed him grave yard dead. Clyde left the scene immediately. Prinentiss Oakley did his shooting with a Winchester 94 lever action 30-30. So there was no "machine gun fire" fired from Clyde and Bonnie. You are getting your facts mixed up from that once again failed Hollywood movie "The Highwaymen" With Woody Harelson and Keven Costner. Total B.S. But the movie got one thing right. B&C never fired a shot at the very end. And they never saw who killed them.

There are exceptions to every rule, my good friend.

Maybe so but one rule I have learned is that when I suggested you get a Glock you said you don't like Glocks because you can't shoot them. So I suggested a S&W SD9VE since you are on a budget but you don't want one and have tried them but you can't shoot them. Now you say you can't shoot a revolver double action. I think the one rule there is no exception to is that you don't seem to be able to shoot anything. The picture of the groups you sent me of your shooting with your Wrangler weren't so hot . So single actions don't agree with you either. Would you please post the pictures so others can see them and tell me if I'm being too harsh?

Sorry to rag on you but you keep posting nonsensical stuff. And I can not let it slide.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

I carry a 44spl revolver whenever I have the opportunity. Or a 357 magnum. If not a 38spl. On rare occasions I’ve even carried a little 22lr revolver.
From time to time if I feel sluggish,tired and I’m not feeling my best and need the additional rounds… I’ll carry a Glock 19.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

If we are solely discussing what do I carry in my pocket,

a 22lr or a 44spl

 

[Old Dog]

The only handgun I've ever felt remotely comfortable carrying in a pocket is the S&W 442 (or 642). And always in my strong-side front pocket or side cargo pocket in a Kramer pocket holster.

And yes, DAO revolvers if the gun is to be pocket-carried. Covered hammer. Potent little pocket-rockets. Easily concealed, lightweight and remarkably accurate for their size.

Let’s also not forget that most cops were absolutely incompetent with their duty weapon.

And yet another thread that should be informative with folks noting what's worked for them in the arena of pocket carry... becomes cluttered with utterly irrelevant, useless and wholly untrue noise. (Heavy sigh)
https://www.kramerleather.com/collections/pocket-gun-holster