What do you do when police do not know the law?

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What do you do when police do not know the law?

I laugh at them and tell them,that we don't pay taxes,to emploly incompetant coppers,that don't know one thing from another.:) :)

The various firearms licensing department,in the UK, are full of them and I enjoy,taking the mickey out of them-discreetly.But those armed response guys,know their stuff and are more sympathetic to shooters,than ordinary ignorant plods.

That is why,they primarily,are put in charge of running the licensing department and firearm applications,home visits,etc,etc.
 
Knotthead said:
Did it expressly exempt them, or did it allow states to provide that exemption under state regulations. I was thinking the latter?

The Federal school-zone feelgood exempts State licensees, but the State's criminal and terrorist friendly legislature can (as it did in OH) further restrict that exemption. :fire:

Or at least that's the way I understood it. ;)

Regards,
 
normally if you are in a situation and you are with the police and they do not know the law you go to jail. the police dont care they let the courts settle that stuff its there job. just get a lawyer
To paraphrase that noted civil libertarian, Iosif Vissioronovich Dzugashvili, the proper response is, "Sue, sue and sue some more!"

And always remember, documented retaliation adds bonus miles... and dollars.

But then I'm the vindictive type...
 
Police not knowing the law...

It depends on the seriousness of the situation...

If you are facing jail time... then you need a lawyer, a good one.

If not, is there not an official complaints procedure?

Its always difficult with the police - they always know where you live what you drive and and will stop you and give you tickets and legally harass you...
 
Its always difficult with the police - they always know where you live what you drive and and will stop you and give you tickets and legally harass you...
Oh god, I HOPE so!!!

There's this watercooled .50 I've been looking at. Why should _I_ have to pay for it if I can get a judgement against the cops...?
 
the law where i live
Weapons on Campus

1. Possession or keeping of a

That sounds like a POLICY, not a LAW. Which jurisdiction has that LAW?

I got pulled over by an MI trooper who took 10 minutes to notice the fanny pack on the seat, almost shot himself with my standard 1911, then told me it was "optional" whether or not he recognized my IN CCW.

We have reciprocity. I had a copy of the relevant statute from the AG's office in my briefcase. He repeated that it was "optional."

Wow. Optional laws. Who knew?:confused:

He didn't arrest me, but demanded I keep it "unloaded for safety."

ER...to do what good?
 
The Federal school-zone feelgood exempts State licensees, but the State's criminal and terrorist friendly legislature can (as it did in OH) further restrict that exemption.

Or at least that's the way I understood it.

Regards,

This is correct. It is currently illegal in VA to carry concealed on school (k-12) property unless you are in your car and stay in yoru car for example.
 
got pulled over by an MI trooper who took 10 minutes to notice the fanny pack on the seat, almost shot himself with my standard 1911, then told me it was "optional" whether or not he recognized my IN CCW.

Just kindly inform said trooper that when he recieves his subpoena from your attorney notifying him of the lawsuit for violating your civil rights that his response is "optional". If he really thinks laws, writs and other legalese is "optional" than you can whup his ass court by default.
 
Thanks for all the quick responses, seems like everyone has similar ideas. To bring a little more clarity to the situation, the firearm was taken from my vehical while I was work, meaning not on campus.

Also, Jeep-2, where are you located?

In KY, our laws differentiate between K-12 and College Universities as well as provide ways to remain armed while at a K-12 Institution (meaning leaving the gun in the vehicle). Now as for my personal campus, we actually have no signs up anywhere on our campus to tell us no firearms or other concealed deadly weapons. However, it is in our by-laws that you cannot keep the in the dorms or carry them on campus. However, it doesn't say anything about vehicles as a violation. Also, given the rights given to CCDW holders to keep firearms in their cars on K-12 property and rights given to employees to keep firearms in their personal cars, you can expect similar treatment on a College Campus. Also, in KY we have had a precedent set in 96 on the UofL campus stating violation of the rules is not a criminal offence if I were in violation.

Can you source the 96 case law for UofL?

And yes, I too would be interested in hearing what you report from a legal consult if you choose to do one.
 
Just kindly inform said trooper that when he recieves his subpoena from your attorney notifying him of the lawsuit for violating your civil rights that his response is "optional". If he really thinks laws, writs and other legalese is "optional" than you can whup his ass court by default.

Seeing as said officer can arrest you for any number of things and ruin a couple of days of your life and cost you a bunch of bail money, or at least start writing ticket after ticket, I find it best to be polite, and phrase things as interrogatives.

"But I have a letter from your AG saying it's legal. Is it possible the law has changed? May I show you?"

If they get pushy...well, it probably won't help to get pushy back, but at that point it may not hurt much, either, and he won't be able to claim ignorance of your intentions, or that you never tried to inform him.

"Yeah, he waved some piece of paper in front of me, said it was from the AG...oh...yes...yes, Counselor, that was the statute in question...no, I didn't bother to read it...well...it just seemed like...yes, sir...yes, sir."

As opposed to:

"Respondent resisted arrest so I gave him the obligatory throttling. Well, sure, and I would have been more inclined to listen if he hadn't been aggressive...yes, I'd be happy to drop the claim of a firearms violation in exchange for resisting arrest. No problem, Mister Prosecutor."
 
Nothing speaks more clearly than Memorex! If the civilian-police have audio-video recorders in their police cars for their protection, why then do all civilian non-LEOs not have such items for their protection? Would these same not save a lot of harassment, and "misunderstandings"?
 
If the civilian-police have audio-video recorders in their police cars for their protection, why then do all civilian non-LEOs not have such items for their protection?

I agree, recording the actions of officers during their activities is a good idea. Doing it surreptiously will allow the documentation of their true attitude toward the public. I have seen enough of those "reality tv" shows that show
LEO dashcam footage to notice that frequently the officers are starting to physically direct persons they remove from a stopped vehicle out of the line of sight of the camera. Sort of defeats the reason for said cameras being used. Unless of course you don't want your activities recorded.

If some entrepenurial spirit were to come up with a purpose designed system
for use by the public in this arena would LEO counter by moving people away from their vehicles further and more often? If this type of activity were to become more commonplace LEO would almost certainly develop a means to counter it I would think.
 
Well, one way moves you into traffic.

The other way moves you into concealment for the obligatory butt whoopin.

I suspect a couple of lawsuits would ensue that resulted in ALL events being on camera. Of course, that could happen anyway.

A few years ago in Indy, there was an unwritten rule that if a black person was pulled over, the next black person on the road would pull over behind the cop and just observe.

It didn't take a lot of racist incidents for that to happen.

It didn't take a lot of that to stop it.
 
mpc12 said:
Now, all that being said, it is clear to me and other who I spoken to, including our family attorney, that the police department do not fully understand the law.
Since you have a family attorney who has already been consulted, it seems to me that it might be appropriate to have said family attorney write to the chief of police, state the law, and ask the chief to explain the basis of his statement to you that you violated the law.
 
Jeep-2 said:
the law where i live
Weapons on Campus

1. Possession or keeping of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument on campus (including in any vehicle), or use of any object with intent to harm another, is prohibited. Deadly weapons or dangerous instruments include, but are not limited to, firearms, explosives, explosive devices, knives, blackjacks, chukka-sticks, sling shots, kung fu type weapons.

2. Possession or use of fireworks, firecrackers, etc., is also prohibited.

3. Possession of any CO-2 type firearm, spring-powered firearms, chemical aerosol spray, or pepper aerosol spray is also prohibited.

Violators of any section of this policy will be subject to possible criminal prosecution, if applicable, and appropriate disciplinary action from the College.
Ummm ...

Pardon my saying this, but laws rarely use language such as "Violators of this policy will be subject to possible criminal prosecution ..." Are you sure you're not citing a university's policy rather than a law?
 
What you need to do is write a letter or e-mail to the DA asking for clarification of the law. Afterall, it is the DA who will prosecute you if you are arrested. If you have a letter or e-mail from the DA, with an explanation in your favor, forward a copy to the local PD, or campus PD. If they understand that you will not be procecuted, that should help inform them. However, knowledge and reason cannot overcome pride.
 
(i) Recording of a conversation made by or at the request of a person, not a law enforcement officer or agent of a law enforcement officer, who is a party to the conversation, under reasonable suspicion that another party to the conversation is committing, is about to commit, or has committed a criminal offense against the person or a member of his or her immediate household, and there is reason to believe that evidence of the criminal offense may be obtained by the recording;

Nope. He can't arrest you if he doesn't know about it, and if he DOES violate your rights, well, then your recording was legal:)

Besides, if he is OUTSIDE your car and you are INSIDE, you were simply making a recording of your travels, or recording notes for a business meeting, and "Forgot" to turn the recorder off...until you realized.:D
 
In my case, I went to jail, paid a bail bondsman, paid the tow truck and lot impound fee, hired a lawyer, the Brazos County DA refused to file charges, hired the lawyer again to have the record 'expunged'.

Texas Dept of Public Safety officers do have a lot of latitude in rural counties.

I won the War, but lost the battle.

salty.
 
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