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What do you do when police do not know the law?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mpc12, Mar 1, 2007.

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  1. sterling180

    sterling180 Member

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    I laugh at them and tell them,that we don't pay taxes,to emploly incompetant coppers,that don't know one thing from another.:) :)

    The various firearms licensing department,in the UK, are full of them and I enjoy,taking the mickey out of them-discreetly.But those armed response guys,know their stuff and are more sympathetic to shooters,than ordinary ignorant plods.

    That is why,they primarily,are put in charge of running the licensing department and firearm applications,home visits,etc,etc.
     
  2. SMMAssociates

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    The Federal school-zone feelgood exempts State licensees, but the State's criminal and terrorist friendly legislature can (as it did in OH) further restrict that exemption. :fire:

    Or at least that's the way I understood it. ;)

    Regards,
     
  3. Deanimator

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    To paraphrase that noted civil libertarian, Iosif Vissioronovich Dzugashvili, the proper response is, "Sue, sue and sue some more!"

    And always remember, documented retaliation adds bonus miles... and dollars.

    But then I'm the vindictive type...
     
  4. Que

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    Police not knowing the law...

    It depends on the seriousness of the situation...

    If you are facing jail time... then you need a lawyer, a good one.

    If not, is there not an official complaints procedure?

    Its always difficult with the police - they always know where you live what you drive and and will stop you and give you tickets and legally harass you...
     
  5. Deanimator

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    Oh god, I HOPE so!!!

    There's this watercooled .50 I've been looking at. Why should _I_ have to pay for it if I can get a judgement against the cops...?
     
  6. madmike

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    That sounds like a POLICY, not a LAW. Which jurisdiction has that LAW?

    I got pulled over by an MI trooper who took 10 minutes to notice the fanny pack on the seat, almost shot himself with my standard 1911, then told me it was "optional" whether or not he recognized my IN CCW.

    We have reciprocity. I had a copy of the relevant statute from the AG's office in my briefcase. He repeated that it was "optional."

    Wow. Optional laws. Who knew?:confused:

    He didn't arrest me, but demanded I keep it "unloaded for safety."

    ER...to do what good?
     
  7. VARifleman

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    This is correct. It is currently illegal in VA to carry concealed on school (k-12) property unless you are in your car and stay in yoru car for example.
     
  8. thexrayboy

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    Just kindly inform said trooper that when he recieves his subpoena from your attorney notifying him of the lawsuit for violating your civil rights that his response is "optional". If he really thinks laws, writs and other legalese is "optional" than you can whup his ass court by default.
     
  9. vis-à-vis

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    Can you source the 96 case law for UofL?

    And yes, I too would be interested in hearing what you report from a legal consult if you choose to do one.
     
  10. madmike

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    Seeing as said officer can arrest you for any number of things and ruin a couple of days of your life and cost you a bunch of bail money, or at least start writing ticket after ticket, I find it best to be polite, and phrase things as interrogatives.

    "But I have a letter from your AG saying it's legal. Is it possible the law has changed? May I show you?"

    If they get pushy...well, it probably won't help to get pushy back, but at that point it may not hurt much, either, and he won't be able to claim ignorance of your intentions, or that you never tried to inform him.

    "Yeah, he waved some piece of paper in front of me, said it was from the AG...oh...yes...yes, Counselor, that was the statute in question...no, I didn't bother to read it...well...it just seemed like...yes, sir...yes, sir."

    As opposed to:

    "Respondent resisted arrest so I gave him the obligatory throttling. Well, sure, and I would have been more inclined to listen if he hadn't been aggressive...yes, I'd be happy to drop the claim of a firearms violation in exchange for resisting arrest. No problem, Mister Prosecutor."
     
  11. Geno

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    Nothing speaks more clearly than Memorex! If the civilian-police have audio-video recorders in their police cars for their protection, why then do all civilian non-LEOs not have such items for their protection? Would these same not save a lot of harassment, and "misunderstandings"?
     
  12. Smoke

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    Wait! I have been reformed! When confronted with this situation from now on I will push the red button on my dash marked "Trunk Monkey"

    Smoke :D
     
  13. thexrayboy

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    I agree, recording the actions of officers during their activities is a good idea. Doing it surreptiously will allow the documentation of their true attitude toward the public. I have seen enough of those "reality tv" shows that show
    LEO dashcam footage to notice that frequently the officers are starting to physically direct persons they remove from a stopped vehicle out of the line of sight of the camera. Sort of defeats the reason for said cameras being used. Unless of course you don't want your activities recorded.

    If some entrepenurial spirit were to come up with a purpose designed system
    for use by the public in this arena would LEO counter by moving people away from their vehicles further and more often? If this type of activity were to become more commonplace LEO would almost certainly develop a means to counter it I would think.
     
  14. madmike

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    Well, one way moves you into traffic.

    The other way moves you into concealment for the obligatory butt whoopin.

    I suspect a couple of lawsuits would ensue that resulted in ALL events being on camera. Of course, that could happen anyway.

    A few years ago in Indy, there was an unwritten rule that if a black person was pulled over, the next black person on the road would pull over behind the cop and just observe.

    It didn't take a lot of racist incidents for that to happen.

    It didn't take a lot of that to stop it.
     
  15. Aguila Blanca

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    Since you have a family attorney who has already been consulted, it seems to me that it might be appropriate to have said family attorney write to the chief of police, state the law, and ask the chief to explain the basis of his statement to you that you violated the law.
     
  16. Aguila Blanca

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    Ummm ...

    Pardon my saying this, but laws rarely use language such as "Violators of this policy will be subject to possible criminal prosecution ..." Are you sure you're not citing a university's policy rather than a law?
     
  17. Rebeldon

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    What you need to do is write a letter or e-mail to the DA asking for clarification of the law. Afterall, it is the DA who will prosecute you if you are arrested. If you have a letter or e-mail from the DA, with an explanation in your favor, forward a copy to the local PD, or campus PD. If they understand that you will not be procecuted, that should help inform them. However, knowledge and reason cannot overcome pride.
     
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    Nope. He can't arrest you if he doesn't know about it, and if he DOES violate your rights, well, then your recording was legal:)

    Besides, if he is OUTSIDE your car and you are INSIDE, you were simply making a recording of your travels, or recording notes for a business meeting, and "Forgot" to turn the recorder off...until you realized.:D
     
  20. saltydog452

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    In my case, I went to jail, paid a bail bondsman, paid the tow truck and lot impound fee, hired a lawyer, the Brazos County DA refused to file charges, hired the lawyer again to have the record 'expunged'.

    Texas Dept of Public Safety officers do have a lot of latitude in rural counties.

    I won the War, but lost the battle.

    salty.
     
  21. madmike

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    Yeah, the charges dropped against me "only" cost me $200ish and a night sleeping in garbage on the floor of a cell.

    The system works.:barf:
     
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