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What do you Load in your 45 acp for personal defense?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by grubbylabs, May 18, 2010.

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  1. grubbylabs

    grubbylabs Member

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    I am going to buy powder tomorrow and I am not sure what I want to try. I have used Blue Dot shoots good but dirty, and power pistol, real snappy and not consistent. I have 4" Springer XD 45c
    I will have 185grn HP and 230 grn HPs. If you load another let me know and what/why.

    Thanks, Grubbs
     
  2. frankge

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    Remington Golden Sabres - IMHO I'd use factory for SD
     
  3. loadedround

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    My PD ammo is a hard cast 200 gr SWC over a healthy charge of Unique. The load feeds perfectly from all my 45's and I go with what works. BTW, my bullets are "Lasercast" bullets by Oregon Trail.
     
  4. Elmar66

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    Federal Hydrashocks in both my .45 ACP and .380

    I've always heard it's better to use factory ammo, less legal hassles if you actually have to use it. You won't have to spend so much time explaining how much powder you used, if it was a "hot" round, if you were "testing" it's capability, etc.

    Yeah it's expensive to use, but if you ever have to use it, it's worth every penny.
     
  5. Walkalong

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    Factory ammo for me.

    WSF, AA #5, HS-6, True Blue, Unique, or something in that range to push those jacketed bullets hard.
     
  6. natman

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    Federal 230 grain Hydrashocks. It's a good load and my fixed sight Witness shoots them into small groups right at point of aim. I figured that was a sign that this was the load.
     
  7. Drail

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    I have done a lot of testing and settled on a 200 gr. flat point cast slug over 5.5 gr. of Winchester Super Target or Bullseye. Feeds very reliably in all of my guns and will penetrate 4 one gallon milk jugs filled with water. (The first jug is reduced to small pieces.) This load is very close to what the Army Ordinance Board specified when Browning originally designed the 1911, a 200 gr. bullet at 900 fps. JHP bullets will very often become plugged with clothing material and act just like hardball. When they work they work very well but I have little faith in them and have chosen to rely on a non expanding bullet.
     
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    185gr Rem GS over Power Pistol for about 990fps.
     
  9. moxie

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    Ditto on the Unique.
     
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    I used to use XTPs with Power Pistol. I now use a 230gr LRN with Power Pistol. They clock right at 900fps. Plenty of ummph.
     
  11. grubbylabs

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    Thanks for all your replies. I can certainly see the advantage to factory ammo should the need ever arise. Lots less to explain. After some first hand info on a police shooting her in poky I am not sure I have a lot of faith in Hp's. I have been using a 230grn plated HP from Rocky Mountain Reloading. It does not appear to have been designed to expand like some of the premium HP bullets on the market. But I have been contemplating getting some Gold Dot HPs but I am not sure if I want 185, 200, or 230 grain bullets.
    Thanks for all your opinions.
     
  12. Kentucky Jelly

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    I use factory Hornady 230 XTP +P. I reload 230 gr xtp over 5 grain of titegroup to practice with.
     
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    Hydrashoks mixed with Glaser Safety Slugs................
     
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    I see more of the running in circles, the sky is falling cries about using handloads in SD. NONE of it can be proven though.

    Either it's a good shoot or it's not.

    I use handloads in all my carry calibers.

    In .45 ACP, I use 230 Golden Sabers on top of 6.8 of Longshot. I love that powder. Hard to beat on many calibers for SD loads.
     
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    DITTO!
    Not a case yet since it has been on the books! A friend of afriends brother heard it from some instructor who wanted to sound like he was teaching a good class. Yet no proof what so ever!!!!
     
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    230 gr Hornady XTP JHP over HS-6.
     
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    Winchester 185gr silver tips, remington 230gr golden sabers, TAP CQ 230gr, - whatever is on sale. Modern hollowpoint technology is pretty good. I don't have tons of money to spend on factory ammo, so I buy what feeds well in my gun that I can afford.
     
  19. coloradokevin

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    I use factory ammo for personal defense in my pistols (200gr Speer Gold Dot). Personally, I do so for a greater guarantee of reliable function. I've never had a handload fail in my reloading career, but I also haven't taken the time to chronograph most of my pistol loads, and I have shot far more factory ammo than I have handloaded ammo over the years.

    I'm sure that I'd be fine using handloads if I made a significant effort to do so, but I'd want to be sure that I made those pistol rounds to very exacting specifications (checking velocities over a chrony, primer seating depths, etc). I just don't put all that much effort into pistol loading, as I typically load for plinking or IPSC matches (short range and fast shots). I've also found that the factory defensive loads are of high quality, and function reliably. Plus, the cost difference is only marginally significant, since I don't normally shoot through my defensive loads.

    As far as the legal concerns of using handloads, I could see this being a major problem for a police department, or other public safety organization (we face scrutiny on everything, given our role of serving the public). Otherwise, the idea that handloads would be a problem (legally) in a self-defense situation involving a private citizen has always struck me as internet mythology. Simply put, if you pull the trigger on a person, the shoot is going to be judged on the circumstances, not the ammo that you were carrying.

    If anyone claims otherwise on the subject of handload legality, I'd love to see some documentation of any court case where the ammo that was used was decided to be the determining factor regarding the legality of a defensive shooting! Simply put, the legality is the least of my concernes when it comes to carrying handloaded ammo for defensive purposes!
     
  20. grubbylabs

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    I have heard some good things about the Speer Gold Dots. I think I am going to get some to load up and send over the chrony to see how they do.

    I guess my concerns stems from hearing about a shooting in our town. The local police were involved in a shooting. They shot the guy several times with 45's. The only fatal shot was a point blank head shot by one of the officers. I don't know what ammunition they were shooting, but a witness to the autopsy said that the penetration left a lot to be desired, in fact the only serious wound was the head shot.

    I am not sure why they were not getting good penetration, but I would like to avoid that kind of situation.
     
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    In the links I provided above it talks about these things. How brain and upper spinal cord hits are the only way to have immediate incapacitation. In all reality, most standard handgun calibers don't have the ability to produce immediate incapacitation otherwise. All they do is damage organs and blood vessels to promote exsanguination (bleeding out or physical incapacitation). The two main factors for incapacitation are physical and psychological. It goes on.... etc.....

    There’s good stuff in there.
     
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    I carry only factory made, I range plink with with my low-med on the tables reloads. The paper targets can't seem to tell the difference.
     
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    When I go to sin city at night, I carry .452" 152 gr Copperized LSWC bullets pushed by Power Pistol.
     
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    230 gr XTPs over W231. Like others have said......if it's a good shoot, it's a good shoot.
     
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    Whatever combo works best in your intended firearm is what I'd use. I've been very happy with how an XTP seems to open up and expand no matter what it hits. I've had speer GDs plug the tip and become effectively hardball. I've seen others partially expand, but those XTPs, I've never dug one out of the dirt, stump, gravel or water jug without seeing it expanded.

    And I'm shooting a 3" barrel 45 on all these at typical 21' distance.

    Hope it helps,

    jeepmor
     
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