Walther makes Colt's .22 AR type rifles and so Colt still felt the need to put their name on them, so they are still junk Colts.
While a monstrous marketing snafu by colt it still isn't in any way indicative of the Quality of Colt manufactured firearms.
S&W .22 AR's are not good guns, the faux buffer tube is easy to break and then the gun is useless.
I have never seen a single case of this or hear about it. Examples please.
These are still AR type rifles as each company markets them that way. Point is I'm not saying an just because one thing isn't mil-spec throw it out, all I'm saying is that when you want to say top tier guns are mil-spec while others are not is not a factual statement.
They are AR type rifles not ARs. Neither in any way claims to be close the the TDP and one isn't even made by the company that has the name on it.
If you want to say an M&P is an upper tier gun compared to DPMS you are wrong, both guns are equal, you really need to read the basic package and options available literature.
Care to back that up with ANY actual information? Stock DPMS rifles do not use M4 Feedramps, they don't have a chrome lined chamber and bore, Do not have proper specced chambers. The list goes on. Smith still has a few shortcomings but no where near the number that DPMS have.
The only point I'm trying to make is all manufacturers have had bad gun models and/or problems. If DPMS was doing things almost dangerously wrong then yes they would be out of business, same reason K-Mart quit selling guns, it helped them beat out paperwork errors that were going to cause enormous fines.
I am not talking about JUST specific models. I am talking about a pattern of cutting corners and not taking even the most basic steps to put out a quality product.
It's weird too that a buddy of mine has a Spikes lower yet it is full of DPMS parts, obviously there is some misinformation somewhere about mil-spec.
What are you saying? He purchased a Spikes Lower and put in a DPMS LPK? What is your point. Just because they will fit doesn't mean they are good quality.
The only gun I could really say is over priced for what it is is the Ruger 556. It is a nice gun and shoots very well but for that price there are more options.
On this we agree. It is overpriced and pointless for the market.
I think if a man decides he wants to buy a cheap AR to start with and only wants to spend between 5 and 6 hundred dollars, a DPMS is not a bad choice. What other gun can you get for that price new and I don't mean a couple hundred more but that exact price.
Nobody said otherwise. But some people, yourself included, seem to think that 600 dollar DPMS is going to perform just as well as a 900 BCM or DD. This isn't the case and by telling people this you are doing them a disservice.
A starter to AR's should really buy new and know what is in the gun, they are already learning and when buying used they don't know what the previous owner may or may not have done to the gun.
Good point. But they also should not buy cheap and then have all the issues that go along with it. It will turn people off to the platform and is mostly why people have this misconception about ARs being unreliable.
I think it's great that somebody chooses to buy an AR, it keeps the area growing with shooters, designers, and after market manufacturers. There are enough people trying to get rid of them, the last thing needed is someone to go around telling a bunch of people they own crap, just because they haven't seen something or know something.
You seem to be implying that knowledge is a bad thing. I can't say I agree with that. I am not going to tell someone who purchased a DPMS or bushmaster, or stag, or whatever, that they did well just to save their feelings.
I work with a lot of "gun salesmen" most of them don't know crap except for a few guns. Salesmen bull a lot problem is when they do it too long they actually think what they say is true all the time.
Show some numbers on sales, returns, and failure rates before a gun is knocked, that is fact, saying you saw something isn't.
I don't have access to the number of returns, etc when from where I used to work. but why don't you go ask some instructors how many second rate guns they have seen fail in class. It happens all the time.
Since you seem to feel the need to question everything I have said I feel it is my turn. What are your qualifications? How many of these do you own. What brads do you now or have yo owned in the past? Are you a dealer? A manufacturer? How many training classes have you been to? Which ones?
So far you have only posted in this thread. I can only assume you registered just for that purpose but have yet to show any actual knowledge on the subject. .