What does your weapon training consist of?

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  1. The Hand Gunner

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    And by that I mean how many weapons are you well versed in and how would you recommend others to pursue or handle their own training?

    Using myself as an example I'm trained in the use of several different swords based martial arts and can legally carry a sword here in AZ and do so, but I also complement that with my open and concealed carry firearms and have been thinking of a way of training in the use of both at once just in case I may need to draw both weapons one day. Will that day ever come, it is highly unlikely that it will ever happen, but just in case there's a slim chance that it will I personally would like to be ready if and when it does.

    So how about you guys? What weapons are you well versed in and how has your training been going so far?
     
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    Gun + sword? I've got nothing.
     
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    Please tell me what situation you think you can solve with a sword in one hand and a handgun in the other. I thought that pretty much went out when revolvers and self loaders were invented. I honestly don't see how you could do that and be effective. It made sense with muzzle loaders but I don't see a tactical application for it in modern times......

    I'm interested to hear how you plan to use both at once.
     
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    Jeff,
    It is obvious. Jeb Stuart doesn't have anything on this rig.

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    For me it's a matter of training to wield both at once in order to get my hand/eye coordination into better shape. I've practiced dual wielding swords and handguns before but never a sword plus a gun. My open carry is a single action and if I ever get into a situation where I miss my shots and the assailant is an idiot then I would rather have a three foot long piece of steel between me and them instead of my 6 inch Buck Knife that I usually carry with my revolvers.
     
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    Carrying a sword must be difficult, have you ever needed it? How long have you been carrying all that?
     
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    In all seriousness, there are many places where you cannot carry a "sword" legally and the laws on swords, knives, etc. is far more convoluted than firearms if you can believe that with a lot of locales regulating length of blade etc. Sword canes, etc. are simply novelties with little use outside of mystery novels.

    If you are that worried about missing, stick training is far more versatile and you can go darn near anywhere with a staff and/or walking stick including a lot of areas that normally you would not have to carry a firearm. If you are really interested in the topic, look up what Rex Applegate wrote from his career in training OSS agents. Guy was in his seventies, got jumped by two thugs, put them down with his walking stick and waited for the police to arrive. But, he knew how to use it.
     
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    Actually it's not. It weighs less than my revolver fully loaded so it's really easy to maneuver in combat. And nope I've never needed but that could very well be a blessing in disguise. I mean who wants to mess with a guy carrying a revolver on one hip and a katana on the other. One can put nice precision holes in you from quite a ways away and the other can bisect a human being without much effort.
     
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    I have had a few years of stick fighting training but sadly here in AZ your going to get looked at funny for carrying a staff everywhere. I know it's weird. But most places will have a sign saying no weapons allowed so I generally don't go to those places. I'm ok with it because the places I am allowed to go into with my weapons just think it's cool that I have a katana in the first place. It's really more of an awesome conversation starter more than anything. I've actually had an old lady come up to me and say she felt safe because I had my sword on me which really warmed my heart to hear.
     
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    To the O/P, I do not know what training, if any, you have had. What my recommendation is to not worry so much about the hardware and worry a bit more about the software. Situational awareness is critical as well as training to face the likely challenges that one may face.

    Pepper spray would be more to the point if you are worried about what other people think.

    There are very few challenges that would require a sword outside an SCA meeting.
     
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    I was actually in SCA for a few years until I couldn't make it to the meetings anymore. It was very insightful in the use of various medieval weaponry.
     
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    It’s one thing to work out with a revolver and sword for sporting purposes and to build hand and eye coordination. Although I think boom boom is right, you’d be better served with a stick.

    For defensive purposes I think you’d be better served to train on both separately. Once your revolver is empty it’s just so much weight. Holster it or discard it and fight with your sword.

    I would recommend that you practice with your revolver and achieve enough proficiency with it so you won’t have to worry so much about using your sword.

    I carried two firearms throughout my LE career and a knife. I was also weighted down with a collapsible baton, OC and a taser. They all had their place. But I must say a sword and a single action gives me visions of Calvary charges on horseback, but then you spoke of a sword not a saber.
     
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    I'm pretty proficient with both on there own I've just been trying to see if I can blend the two styles of fighting together to see what could come of it. It's quite the challenge to not end up slicing off my own arm while fighting with a gun in one hand and sword in the other. For me it's a means to stave off boredom and to experiment and see just how viable it would be to fight with a gun and sword.
     
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    Well, if I picked a fight with a guy and he pulled out a gun AND a sword, I guess I'd have second thoughts.

    Beyond that, I, uh, have to go feed the cat. Or something.
     
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    I will try and get this back on topic and forgoe the silliness of talking about swords for SD.

    I am pretty well versed with pistols as I practice and compete regularly with them.

    I am "well versed enough" with rifles and shotguns to the point where I feel comfortable using them for a variety of situations including SD.

    As far as blades I carry a pocket knife which 110% of males do around my parts, which I have zero offensive training in only defensive from my MA years. Although I feel confident I could defend myself with it that's not ultimately why I carry it.
     
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    I use to work at a Renaissance Festival, and did sword and polearm demonstrations. Though the sword I had at the time was a Scottish backsword, (My character was a Scot, because I wasn't going to wear leggings or hose) I prefer the daisho, or a tenth century Viking sword and seax.
    I do not want to have to use such weapons for HD, SD, or WOROL situations. I'll rely on my training with the AR family of weapons, as well as the M1911, and pump 12 ga shotguns, if needed. Being a gunsmith, I'm pretty well versed in how other firearms work as well.


    And carrying a sword you're not going to get looked at funny? :confused:



    Somebody's been watching Into the Badlands again......;)
     
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    That's the funny part people here just don't seem to care, of course I've had it on me for years now so they could have just gotten used to it. Plus I haven't seen into the badlands yet. I have it saved on Netflix but that's all.
     
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    There's an easy fix for that....
     
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    Says the guy carrying a katana and a single action revolver everywhere...
    But a walking stick freaks them out... That's weird all right. But after reading this entire thread, I have to disagree. That's not the funny part.
    Yup, sounds exactly what the best trainers say. "When you're training to defend your life, the ideal approach is one that is needlessly complicated, insures that you can use your self-defense handgun only one-handed and also offers a good chance for self-amputation." You know, or words to that effect.
     
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    Ok don't try and be smart or cute. I don't carry an automatic because I don't need 16+ rounds to take someone down. In an average civilian based shooting six is plenty and just in case I have a concealed carry revolver with a speed loader.
     
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    Oh stop being high and mighty please. As I've said I have training in both swordsmanship and firearms. I am just seeing if I can craft both of those into something effective. If all's anyone's going to do is criticize me because they can't understand my reasoning then take it to another thread because this isn't the one for it. Share your personal exsperance, not degrade others for your own amusement.
     
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    Who in his right mind would basis his or her risk assessment on an average?
     
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    Law enforcement, self defense instructors, the same people who sell guns.
     
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    No, they don't. If you are wired into those folks (which we are), they have a more sophisticated view of capacity. Quote your respected, nationally known instructors and/or the law enforcement literature.

    Also, discuss the relationship of the average (I assume you mean the arithmetic mean) as compared to the distributional shape of incident intensity and appropriate risk level cut offs.
     
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    You may have encountered some such people. Look elsewhere for advice.

    Averages, whether means, modes, or medians, are useless measures when it comes to risk assessment.
     
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