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  1. The_Shootist

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/02/somalia.pirates.japan.ap/index.html


    My betting is on the US Navy in this one :evil:

    Seriously, wouldn't a small SMG carried by a few crew members be enough to dissuade these riff raff from taking on your ship. Tankers (and their cargo nowadays) don't come cheap! Why aren't more armed? I'll bet there are a few civilian charters for fishing out of FLA where the captains have a couple of shotguns for just such an eventuality, why not large commercial vessesls.

    Don't tell me its for insurance reasons - ya get your tanker hijacked and thats one hell of an "insurance reason".

    If you read the article, you see the North Koreans (who were captured, then fought back re-taking their tanker) have a different mindset I guess. But whats this bit about "handing the pirates over for prosecution at the nearest port..." What ever happened to stringing them from the yardarm - I thought International Law was pretty clear on this on the High Seas.

    Or are people just getting lazy?:scrutiny:
     
  2. ilcylic

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    Well, at least on private yachts, when you pull into some ports, the port authority boards your vessel to search for guns, and if they find them, you go to the clink. And the Mexican Clink ain't no fun.

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    On a note related to this story, Somalia has had more of a problem with pirates recently, after the U.S. had Ethiopia invade to overthrow the Islamic Court which had started to coalesce the anarchic situation there. The Islamic Court had been doing a pretty good job of cleaning up the piracy.
     
  3. Deer Hunter

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    Keyword, if they find them... :neener:
     
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    You see the piece in the news lately about the pleasure-cruise liner that came under fire off the African Coast IIRC that fought them off with directed-noise weapons?
     
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    5 inch. Nothing less.
     
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    Many nations' ports won't allow a ship to dock with weapons on board.

    I think some 50cal semiauto deck guns loaded with AP would sink any boarding craft pretty quickly.
     
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    duck foot pistols and cutlasses.
     
  8. Geronimo45

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    Why, an ARRRRRRR-15, of course.
     
  9. Mr White

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    Damn you, Geronimo45!
     
  10. Koos Custodiet

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    Geronimo, I *knew* that was the answer when I saw the topic... but you beat me to it.
     
  11. Lucky

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    Deerhunter, it doesn't matter if you have a gun or not, if they find a secret compartment, any size, they can take your vessel by declaring it a smuggling vessel. Not unreasonably, either, probably (depending on the situation). Ergo the weapon should be integral to the boat, hard to say you were being sneaky then. Dealing with boats, you choose yourself what mount and gun your vessel could take, and hope it's enough.

    I believe there is some international rule that a ship in need can use a port temporarily, even if the country doesn't want them, so with the help of a naval lawyer you might be able to find a way to stop in any country for water and fuel.

    Anyone else seen those tidbits about armed freight ships? Apparently in order to get classification XXYZ to carry plutonium freight they need to have cannons installed.
     
  12. matt87

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    Why not just load all the guns into a tender which sits a mile into international waters whenever the mothership needs to enter national waters, for docking and such? Or perhaps some sort of sealed lobster pot type dealie with a radio locator on it?
     
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    Nukes. Wipe the country clean and start over... just kidding. I think air guns and 22's ought to do it.
     
  14. El Tejon

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    A small (there's that word again) SMG? Nah, I want something big. I want penetration into the boat.

    M1 or M14 with AP maybe? .375 or .338 maybe?

    IIRC a many seagoers in pirate alleys carry AKs which they can cheaply ditch and replace if .gov comes around.
     
  15. DoubleTapDrew

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    Solothurn 20mm cannon delivering AP gifts at or below the waterline of the boarding craft, M-14 or ARRR-15 if they make it to your hull. I'm sure smugglers could give you ideas for where to hide them when in port.

    Of course the US Navy could just use a goalkeeper or send a few larger shells over.
     
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    If you are on a oil tanker why not just submerge the weapons into the oil? Just take a minute to spray it down with break clean, and you are good to go.
     
  17. Lucky

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    I believe poster and author T. McGee had a summary of a sailing vacation, and when he had to stop in Mexican port he simply ditched his gun in the ocean. Can't remember what it was, but it was expendable. There were many suggestions given, but all were complicated and easier to write than implement. Nevertheless this is not really practical, because a sensible pirate would just rape people leaving ports, knowing they had been disarmed by the officials. Plus with a small gun it's possible to lose small ammunition in the craft, and if you stop somewhere like Mexico they can imprison you for a single cartridge.

    Maybe ideal would be if you could get Hugo Grotius to back you up and argue that customs has a duty to hold and store your guns while you are in port, if they don't permit you to carry them in said country.
     
  18. rcmodel

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    After the cruse ship deal last year I read something about the international insurance companies prohibiting commercial shipping from trying to defend themselves.

    They are supposed to lay down and play dead so no one gets hurt! :banghead:

    The Sheeple are running the world!

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  19. SSN Vet

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    I had a chance to go for a short sail on the Schooner East Wind and the skipper, Herb Smith (former Coast Guardsman) and his wife Doris have sailed his home made 50 to 60 foot schooners around the world three times.

    They are THE nicest people you could ever meet, and Herb and I swapped some sea stories.

    I asked him if he kept a small arms locker on board and if so what he liked to keep in it.

    His answer....yes, always and .30-06 bold action rifle.....

    My guess at why is...

    "Naval engagements" happen at longer ranges than those on land...so the long legs give you the ability to "repel borders" from farther away than they can respond with their garden variety x39 AKs.

    Herb's a simply kind of man....I don't think .50 BMG would be his style.

    If you ever get a chance to visit Booth Bay Harbor, look them up.
     
  20. SGT. SHLITZ

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    How about one of these?
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    It would make short work of any pirate vessel.
     
  21. Strings

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    Sorry, gotta go with the 3" 50, and a Phalanx System... ;)
     
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    "Why, an ARRRRRRR-15, of course."

    thank lord i gulped down that soda before getting that post. i can't afford a new keyboard. lol
     
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    Good old Ma Deuce.....
     
  25. Slugless

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    Big ship like the pirates attack off of Somalia?

    Rig a fuel oil pump to a fire monitor. Spray 'em down with fuel oil and hit 'em with a flare.


    Smaller boat? Dunno, probably an cheap AK-type rifle.

    • Wrap it in plastic, put some vapor space corrosion inhibitor in with it.
    • Keep some mags loaded with FMJ for long distance penetration
    • Other mags loaded with SP for close in work
    • A bayonet to repel boarders

    "Prepare to repel boarders"
     
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