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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The_Shootist, Nov 2, 2007.

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  1. 4v50 Gary

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    40mm twin Bofors. Keep them out of rocket range. A 3" gun would also be good too. Small arms are arms of last resort. Keep the ballistic advantage and keep them far away from you. Remember, they're also armed with RPG-7s.
     
  2. pharmer

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    Doesn't the Navy use the same 25 MM as the Bradley? I remember seeing a clip some time ago. I'd think that would send a pirate to Davy Jones' locker. Aargh. Joe
     
  3. KiltedClaymore

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    a "Long Nine" (nine pounder) for raiding craft and a 20 pounder loaded with grapeshot if they get past the 9 pounder.
     
  4. oneshooter

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    A long nine is OK for range. But for close in you want a carronade!:evil:

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  5. offthepaper

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    What?
    Nobody want's a BAR? :evil:
     
  6. jungleroy

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    I guess some sort of dismantleable rail gun. with electric coil magnets. Just hang a winch off the end, between the rails for when in dock.
    You could scuttle their boat with most any piece of steel you could make run down the rails.
    just an idea of mine.
     
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  7. Stevie-Ray

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    Blast off and nuke the site from orbit.


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  8. mesomorphcujo

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    Wouldn't that be RRRRRPG-7's?
    Sorry, I had to go there. I was too slow on the ARRRRR-15 one.
     
  9. tasco 74

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    i thought of the same thing sgt shlitz thought of... is there a way to mount cameras on one of those instead of the radar tracking system??
     
  10. Zoogster

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    With a large power source that might actualy be feasible.

    Perhaps a giant airgun would work? I imagine setting up part of the ship to compress massive amounts of air and launch several inch metal rods would be quite feasible. Maybe drill a holl in the bottom of each one so they work like a foster slug. Load in dozens of buckshot or ball bearings for close range work. It would have more power than most small arms and easily be designed on par with the power of a small cannon.
    The same system could be setup for more mundane tasks in port. Like sweeping the decks or spraying machinery clean with compressed air :neener:

    If one frequently goes between 2 points it would be quite easy to store weapons in international water. Air tight containers weighted and lowered on GPS coordinates would be easy. I think most people that sail have dive equipment, it would take a short time to hook it up and pull it to the surface.

    That said most pirates have full auto AKs and RPGs, and travel on short range speedboats that will outrun most long range smaller vessels (assuming the operating costs are reasonable.)

    In Somalia they hit boats going through the narrow passage. Somalia is mainly coastline, and the pirates use radar to watch traffic.

    An area more likely to be visited by private vessels with high piracy would be in the Malaysian Indonesia area.
    Unfortunately much of that region does not recognize self defense, and with islands everywhere traveling armed and ready while being able to dock anyplace or remaining in international waters traveling through would be very difficult on a private trip

    Shooting at people approaching on the horizon however is likely to get you arrested at your next port if it is in the region. There is just as many power happy local authorities boarding vessels and flexing thier muscles as there is pirates. I guess you are just going to know the difference? Or perhaps believe they are who they say over the radio? You think the pirates say "we are pirates closing to raid your vessel" ?
    From a distance and with civilian equipment the two will seem virtualy the same while approaching at high speed.
    Firing on what amounts to thier Coast Guard is going to be a problem.
    Many pirates are normal boats hanging around the area, fishing or doing other mundane activities until they see an opportunity. Then they strike.

    The actions that work for large cargo vessels protected by international companies with billions of dollars and lawyers, or military ships protected by nations are not going to be tolerated by smaller private vessels.
     
  11. Darth Muffin

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    I guess this finally settles the old dispute:

    Ninjas > Pirates :)
     
  12. Whind Soull

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    I believe a GAU-8 would work nicely. :eek:

    But yeah, those sonic energy cannons some ships use are awesome...
     
  13. Vitamin G

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    Is there a difference? I mean, they all fly the Jolly Roger, or stripes, or stars, or crescents, or eagles, or falcons, et all.
     
  14. Cmdr. Gravez0r

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    bad idea

    Fire-arms on a ship = bad idea

    Traditionally firearms on ships have highly restricted access, due to the type of people that particular line of work attracts. Also in that business, crew members are sometimes in on the hijackings. It would be a mistake to give all crew access to weapons. Safer to just sit back and wait for the Navy.
     
  15. JHansenAK47

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    The Somali pirates usually roll up on those ships in small boats. The thing with that is you can't just board a large tanker. So what do they do, they shoot a big hole in the side with an rpg and go in the hole. All you would really need would be a 50 cal. It's got the punch to sink small boats. Most of the pirates got man portable weapons such as AKs, RPGs and PKMs.
    Some of the ships going past Somalia do have 50 cals and do shoot at the pirates. The only ones I have heard of were cruiseliners. Though I doubt a most of the ships going past are armed.
     
  16. Owen

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    A lot of ships use firehoses aimed over the side to discourage boarding.
     
  17. DMK

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    Having lived in a coastal town, I can see that angle. Some sailers can be pretty rough folks with sorted pasts.

    Why can't these shipping companies just hire some contractors (mercs) like Blackwater or something? Or get themselves some internal security force? Of course, maybe the bottom line doesn't justify it and they'd just rather write off a ship/crew now and then.
     
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    "There is just as many power happy local authorities boarding vessels and flexing thier muscles as there is pirates. I guess you are just going to know the difference?"
    Actually, the pirates often impersonate power happy local authirities. The U.S. military now has a "pain ray" directed energy weapon. Unfortunately they're not available at Big 5. An improvised flame thrower would probably be feasible on an oiler.
     
  19. Gaucho Gringo

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    Time to bring the USS Constitution out of mothballs and send her out on another mission. She did great on her ones 200 years ago. She and her sister ships were built for the express purpose of fighting pirates (and other things too) and did a damm good job of it. You have to have the right tools for the job. And of course do a top secret weapons upgade of her armament like cruise missile firing 24 & 32 lb smoothbore cannons.
     
  20. Old NFO

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    US Navy's standard of response- Range Dependent
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    Other than that, it's above the level of this internet... :)
     
  21. 230RN
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    Do I foresee convoys?

    Also, I wonder if there might be an opportunity for heavily armed private (or company-owned) escort vessels which lay off and escort ships, but never call on ports. They'd be supplied with manpower, fuel, and provender from smaller supply vessels which shuttle from shore to ship from time to time.

    Well, I'm probably off base anyhow. I haven't seen salt water for about fifty years, but I'd like some commentary (negative or positive) on this.
     
  22. KiltedClaymore

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    i still say traditional weapons for a traditional crime! FIRE PORT BROADSIDE!!!
     
  23. The Lone Haranguer

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  24. Ethereal

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    Man I have to get to these threads way quicker...
    Thank god others have a sense of humor, what's left....?
     
  25. Logan5

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    Apparently private military contractors already offer ship escort services. The issue is that various nations don't want to allow them in their waters.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=aRlpGcMYBSME&refer=asia

    By "responsibility" he clearly does not mean "accountability". Perhaps a better system would be to demand repayment from the government "responsible" for maintaining security in the area where the incident occurred?

    The biggest danger is really to those governments. The pirates like to tie up the crews of VLCC's, steal the cash and electronics, and bolt. Eventually this will result in a massive oil spill and massive damage to the fisheries, which will cause food shortages, etc, etc.

    Oh, another interesting link:

    http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/features/featuredetail.asp?file=mayfeatures102005.xml

    $100,000 a trip isn't too shabby.
     
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