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what gun is this?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by blackops, May 2, 2011.

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  1. blackops

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    It's an HK of some sort, with a flashlight mounted under the barrel. Likely an MP5 variant.
     
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    Heckler & Koch MP-5 9mm Submachinegun with Surefire flashlight.
     
  4. blackops

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    hmmm, didn't look like an MP-5 to me (not that I disagree). I wonder if the went in with MP-5's and M4's? That's what I assumed.
     
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    Hk-416
     
  6. Guns and more

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    Not a MP-5.
     
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    What?
     
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    That's probably a stock photo and not a photo of the actual group of men that carried out this mission.
     
  9. Kwanger

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    Absolutely.
     
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    I'm seeing an mp5 + flashlight....
     
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    I never assumed these guys were on the hit team, though if they were we will never know. Not like you can identify them.I was wondering, on a raid like this I would assume they would be running m4's and mp5's and such. I was debating with someone and they disagreed that mp5's would be deployed. Not like it really matters, I was just curious what these bad boys trust their lives with and what weapons they utilize on these kind of missions. Still not sure what kind of gun the guys is carrying in the photo. I can see mp5, but I look again and don't see it.
     
  12. Effigy

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    I don't think the military even uses MP5s. It's more of a SWAT weapon.
     
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    Really?? It's tough for me to believe spec ops teams in close quarters would never find an MP5 in their hands here and there.
     
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    They do use MP5s.
     
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    From what I've been seeing lately on the all-knowing all-powerful internets, the SEAL teams would appear to be currently using HK416 rifles and MP7 subs. The MP7 has all but replaced the MP5's that were once used, with the exception of a few MP5SD2 models and such with the integral suppressors. For sidearms, the HK45TC and maybe P226 are used maybe?


    Jeffrey
     
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    I'd bet the farm that the carbine pictured is an MP-5 (as is the one on the right)...which I seriously doubt that they would use...especially without a magazine locked in (which appears to be the case in that photo). ;)
     
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    What is the highest priority in our Special Forces' choices of guns?
    Is reliability the main objective, or reliability combined with compactness for such urban scenarios?
    I've read many compliments about the HK (roller-delayed...) system, though others mention the need for a fair bit of cleaning.

    blackops:
    Thanks for the very interesting link to http://weaselzippers.us/05/02/i...ama-bin-laden/, which includes the unbelievable comments:scrutiny: by the Norwegian communications spokesman, and the novelist (Erin Brodin).
    These people might believe that terrorists are good people who can't be held responsible for their actions, because of troubled childhoods?

    Hopefully they do not speak for the majority in their land, or in other Scandinavian countries.
     
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    No problem! I love weaselzippers!
     
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    i know i wouldnt go to war with a submachine gun. a 9mm submachine gun is the worst. i want something going 2500 fps that will penetrate a human at 1000 yards if you somehow hit someone at that range. even for "cqb" and clearing rooms i still wouldnt take it. an m4 would do me fine. or for those seals their choice of an m4, hk 416, scar, m14, whatever. probably the mp5 too but i doubt many, if any, seals use it.
     
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    Don't forget SCAR-Hs, SCAR-Ls, MK18 MOD 0s and 1s, and even regular M4s are used by SEALs so it's anyones guess what was used. In a CQB environment such as this it was more than likely a MK18 or HK416 but once again nobody knows for sure. The military tends to move away from pistol-caliber submachine guns in general due to the widespread use of body armor. A 5.56 round out of a 10.3-inch barreled MK18 is still better than a 9mm round out of an MP5.
     
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    I wouldn't go to war with a sub either however ever application is different. I'm cool in clearing rooms with a long barrel to expose myself before I even have eyes on target.
     
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    read the post above yours.

    even with a 9" barrel i will have greater MV with a rifle cartridge than i will with a 9mm out of a 16" bbl. and greater armor penetration.

    i would rather be able to penetrate armor when i get my eyes on target with an equal length barrel. and i must have been taught room clearing differently than you. i dont sneak my barrel into a room 5 seconds before i enter the doorframe LOL
     
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    except an mp5 isnt really a carbine... if it was it would be a lot more useful. its a submachine gun. im sure most operators prefer rifles
     
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    Why don't you get nit picky? BTW I know for a fact that "operators" choose their firearms based on the mission...which sometimes includes pistol caliber weapons.
     
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    Weren't the Army Rangers using a special 10mm version of the MP5???
     
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