Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Ru4real, May 1, 2022.
What is your preferred caliber at 100 yards and beyond?
Both guns have 3 pound triggers. Both shoot one inch 25 yard groups and 4 inch 100 yard groups. Muzzle energy is 860 for the AR and 960 for the Ruger. Both are fun to shoot at distance a long ways past 100.
The handguns could not be more different. And both are frustrating in that you cannot just pick them up and expect to do well without dedicated practice. IMO, this type of shooting is becoming a lost art.
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Now I have the RDS on, I try to shoot to 100 yds every time I am at the range with my otherwise boring old M&P 9. 25 yds used to be a pretty good distance, now with the dot if I do my part offhand I should be able to hit a full sized IDPA/IPSC steel every single time. Need to find time to stretch it, see how it does at 150, 200? Further?
7mm IHMSA in a 14" Remington XP-100.
For short range (25 yd) any one of several 4" barrel revolvers loaded with .38, my 4" Redhawk .45 Colt, or occasionally a 9mm auto.
So far it’s only been at boulders in the gravel pit where I can see gravel splashes.
I can't think that anything smaller than 24'' would even be easily visible without magnification at 400. The other size determining factor is the accuracy of the gun itself. A handgun that will hold 1/2" at 25 yds is considered pretty darned accurate. That translates to no better than 8" at 400 yards. Realistically I'd be expecting nearly double that.
Are you asking this question in reference to straight wall cartridges only?
Revolvers and or semi-autos only?
Last, are you asking about handguns with iron sights only?
When I am shooting scoped revolver or a AR-Pistol, I always try to find some kind of field rest. Very rarely do I shoot off-hand.
Prairie dogs past 300 yards is a lot of fun with my AR-Pistol.
On steel I will play a long ways out there with some of my scoped revolvers.
When hunting not as far.
2-4moa is about as tight as I’d trust the revolver to deliver.
The AR, 1-2moa. 400yrds isn’t yet LR for a bottleneck cartridge in a specialty pistol.
For revolvers, I thoroughly enjoy Ruger length 44mags, 454 Casull, and especially 357/44 B&D.
This is so true!
I took a newbie to distance and specialty pistols last Thursday. 1350 yards on steel with a 15" HSP, chambered in 223 Remington.
He said, smoke was coming out of his ears for a couple of days afterwards, not hardly believing what he was doing with a 223 Remington. 10" steel from 300 yards to 900 yards. 12 or 14" at 1K, and a IPSC target at 1350 yards
A scoped 45 Colt pistol and a 223 AR pistol with a 4 MOA red dot, for me. For others, sky is the limit, I just want to learn what others are doing. Thanks for sharing in your later post.
I can do 3-4 MOA with the scoped Ruger. So far I cannot do 1-2 MOA with a 4 MOA red dot on the 223. The dot sizes contributes, IMO. But the dot size is perfect for 100 yards and less, quick acquisition.
That’s pretty impressive! Don’t think I could ever do that with a 4 MOA dot. But this AR pistol was built for making hits quickly. I’m trying to figure out what I should be trying to hit at 400 yards. I’m thinking the IDPA silhouette seems appropriate.
If you want more information from me, I would be glad to chat with you on this thread, PM, or phone.
The specialty pistols are what I enjoy most, and we will shoot them out past a mile just for giggles sometimes. I use them for hunting big game as well, and sometimes at distances some people wrestle with. I typically keep things under 700 yards when hunting, with 550 and under being most common.
I do hunt quite a bit with revolvers (some kind of optic), and I do shoot traditional iron sighted revolvers and semi-autos too.
If I plan to use something for distance, I choose an optic that makes it easier for me to accomplish that.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with having fun with what you have.
It is hard to be critical with holdovers, but a man sized target makes it easier.
I have two different Seekins uppers for my AR-Pistol. The second one is just under 16", and I have engaged steel with it beyond 1000 yards with 69 grain SMK's.
With your AR pistol (If it had a 100 yard zero) will take about 37-47 inches of elevation to hit a 400 yard target
Good info, thank you. Very interesting and helpful information in your posts. If I can hit a silhouette at 400, I will consider it success!
Other cartridges may be better but it was I had at the time. I still have them.
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