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What guns would you rather have?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dbrown, May 14, 2012.

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  1. dbrown

    dbrown Member

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    I want to either get a shotgun or a mosin nagant rifle with a nagant revolver. What would you rather have one gun or two?
     
  2. Warp

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    What guns do you already have?

    What is the intended purpose of the guns in question?

    What shotgun?




    If I had no shotgun I would rather have that than a couple of nagants.

    If I could only have one gun, it would be a Glock 26, 3rd gen.
     
  3. dbrown

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    I dont have any guns right now.

    The guns would be just for plinking/defense.

    And i would be getting either a maverick 88 or mossberg 500
     
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    The shotgun
    You can do more with it. Trap/skeet, bird hunting, deer and bear hunting, home defense
     
  5. Telekinesis

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    For plinking/defense I would definitely go with the shotgun unless you wanted to go for a more modern pistol.

    The Nagant revolver is is more of a novelty than a defensive weapon. It only holds 7 rounds of ammunition which is similar in power to a .32 ACP and has availability issues, and to load it you have to place each round in the cylinder individually through a loading gate. And those rounds come out one at a time through the same loading gate with the help of a plunger. Not exactly the best idea for defensive use.

    That said, the Nagant revolver is a pretty interesting piece and I'm planning on getting one as soon as I get my suppressor shows up. It is one of the few revolvers that can effectively be suppressed. And it'll cost more to thread the barrel than it will to buy the gun...:banghead:
     
  6. Warp

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    Plinking and defense are two rather different uses.

    Most people don't plink with shotguns, or mosins, but with .22s.


    You said defense...what kind of defense? Where? From what?

    Why are the ones listed in the OP your specific considerations?
     
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    Since I already have a couple guns I'd easily choose the two Nagants.
    For a first time gun ... the shotgun is probably the more practical choice.
     
  8. dbrown

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    There in my consideration because there in my price range.

    The gun would just be for home defense.
     
  9. AethelstanAegen

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    I'd vote the Mosin-Nagant and the Nagant revolver but that's because I'm a sucker for history and have never been much of a shotgun guy (though they're growing on me). For what it's worth, it's impossible to get into milsurps much cheaper than those two and I really enjoy mine...I feel I got a lot of bang for my buck. I'm guessing you're on a bit of a budget just given the choices, so you might want to know that Nagant revolver isn't super cheap to shoot and you'll have to order it online (though I do recommend the Prvi Partizan ammo...very accurate and clean out of mine). The Mosin-Nagant is of course super cheap to shoot. If you can swing a little more cash for the pistol, you might want to look into a Makarov or Tokarev variant which would be cheaper to shoot and more viable as a defense handgun.
     
  10. Warp

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    What is your price range?

    Specific $ amounts. A grand total including the gun, any upgrades, accessories, ammunition, etc, what are you looking/able to spend?

    Who will be using the gun?

    What, if any, firearms experience do you have?
     
  11. dbrown

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    I have been shooting firearms for around two years and i only have like 250 dollars just for the gun.
     
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    I would suggest you look into a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Most likely a Remington 870 or a Mossberg.
     
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    I recently paid $200 plus shipping for everything in the picture.

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    Apparently a lot of people thought $200 for a CZ82 was a good deal because I noticed Wideners sold out a week after I ordered mine. Other sites still have them in stock for $220 though, and probably with slightly less finish wear.

    IMO $200 for a modern pistol with ambi manual safety, ambi mag release, decent sights, not a bad trigger at all, that comes with two 12 round mags and a holster is a pretty good deal. As a bonus you can have it shipped right to your front door, that way you don't have to make a trip to the store and pay $25 extra for no good reason.
     
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    Might want to clarify that you can only do that with a type 03 FFL (C&R). The OP doesn't have any guns at all, I highly doubt he has his own FFL.
     
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    I'd go for a shotgun of some sort and never look back. The Nagant revolvers are nifty for plinking/collecting, however pretty much useless for most practical purposes. With that being said a shotgun (with multiple barrels) should provide you an effective hunting and personal defense weapon both in one tidey package. The Nagant rifles are pretty nice given the price and fire a very potent cartridge, but lack the accuracy of more modern rifles, also they would be overkill for anything under the size of deer and would make a poor home defense weapon. With a shotgun you can harvest both small and large game and anything in between and have a very effective HD weapon.
     
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    Good point. Go to http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16-notice.html, fill out the two forms there, then mail to the ATF with a $30 check. The forms take about 5 minutes and it only took 1 month for my license to show up in the mail. The license paid for itself with the first firearm I bought (a M1895 Nagant revolver incidentally). The license is good for 3 years, you can always get the Nagant revolver and a Mosin with it later when you have more cash.

    I wouldn't completely discount the Nagant for self defense, mines run fine and been plenty accurate with 32S&W Long hollow points. The first rule is have a gun, and I know I sure wouldn't want to take 7 rounds of 32S&W incoming. That said you'd probably be better off with a 9mm Hi Point or a CZ82.
     
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    The shotgun ammo will cost you a lot more than 7.62x54R. So if you're looking to do a lot of shooting, the Mosin is the way to go.

    I'd suggest you forget the Nagant 95 for now. The ammo is pricey and reloading is complex. Instead, spend the money on a spam can of 54R.
     
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    FN has a nice pump shotgun; reasonable price, large magazine capacity, and basic sights. Useful for hunting, home defense, etc.
     
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    From those you listed, the shotgun without a doubt. Of course I'm biased, neither of the other guns would make my top 1000, probobly not even my top 10,000. A good shotgun however can handle a multitude of shooting chores and is always a terrifically usefull gun to have.

    Actually though, you might be best served with a 10/22 Ruger and a couple of the 25rd BX25 mags loaded with some good CCI Velocitors or Mini-Mags for defensive use. You'd sure be able to shoot a lot more for the dollars invested.
     
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    If you want a good "starter" firearm, it's hard to beat a shotgun. It's incredibly versatile: you can use if for self-defense, clay shooting, bird hunting, and deer hunting. If you mostly just want to shoot cans and stuff, I'd say get a .22 -- the ammo is cheap enough that you can shoot all day and not worry about the expense. You can get a decent entry-level .22 rifle for $150 to $200. You can get bulk-pack .22 ammo for roughly 3¢ a round, so $75 will buy you 2500 rounds or so. That's a lot of plinking.

    The Nagant revolver is really just a curio. They're cool but not practical. The Mosin rifle is an interesting idea as a combined defense/fun shooter, but I think you'd get tired of popping off 7.62x54R rounds a lot faster than you'd get tired of .22 rimfire. At least your shoulder would, anyway.
     
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    toivo: Where might I acquire 2,500 rounds of .22lr for $75?
     
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    Shotgun

    Unless you're a budding Russian gun collector.
     
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    You need to look around, but Miwall at my local gun show had fed champion bulk for $15.25 for 525 rounds. $76.25=2625 rounds. I bought everything they brought.
     
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    Yeah, I was thinking Wal-Mart, but they hiked their prices recently. Now they're getting around $20 for Federal 550-round bulk pack, so 2200 rounds for $80. But firesky101 has it right -- you can do better if you shop around. Also check the sale fliers in the Sunday paper for places like Dick's Sporting Goods or whatever you have near you.
     
  25. Warp

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    I have looked around. I am looking around. I don't see a way I can buy 2,500 rounds for $75. I doubt the newb OP would be able to find it if I can't.

    I have noticed that forum members, and this applies to all forums across all hobbies or interests, often make a habit of quoting unrealistically low prices to new guys. I find it to be misleading.
     
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