What handgun for vehicle?

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For a truck gun, I'd be way more concerned about value than anything else. I'd go find the rattiest, most beat up looking revolver or semi-auto I could find at the cheapest price possible and use that. You're probably more likely to have the gun stolen from your car than you are likely to have to use it in self defense.

As far as plastics, the max temperature it'll see is still only about 1/3 of the temperature it takes to begin to melt nylon, so your frame will be fine if you use a Glock, M&P, CZ or LCP (or LCR) or any other polymer framed gun. It's not like the gun is regularly being put under stress (being fired) at the max temperature extremes, for the most part it the plastic is in a rested state.

Now plastic does still degrade over time, and temperature swings probably will accelerate that, but were talking decades before there's a potential issue. You'd probably have to leave your polymer framed gun locked up in a black car for 40+ years in the middle of the desert before you'd have to even think about the frame starting to get weak. The biggest worry will be protecting it from the sun, even through the plastic used for gun frames is UV resistant, it is NOT UV proof.
 
That Glock will be fine. Its much hotter in iraq, afghanistan, etc. than where you live this time of year, and they do fine over there.
Except we don't know what the long term effects of repetitive heating and cooling are. Short term, I don't see a problem, but if Glock is already recommending after 30 years of production that older guns need to be checked for brittleness and frames replaced if brittleness is found, who knows how much heating and cooling may speed that process up.
 
Balrog wrote:
...what handgun would be most suitable for storage inside a parked vehicle?

Pretty much any handgun on the market today.

Also what lubricant should I use for a handgun subjected to extreme heat and humidity?

Whatever the manufacturer recommends; probably a "high quality firearms oil".
 
I also carry a Glock. And carrying in and around vehicles is one of the few times I feel like the 10mm has an appreciable advantage over other service calibers. The same ability to drive a 200 gr bullet through the shoulder plate of a large hog or black bear also gives it pretty good penetration through windshields and auto bodies.

Guns should not be left in cars as they can be stolen used to commit violent crime and the liberals will again try to pass laws limiting our second amendment rights. All this talk about bullets through windshields and auto bodies also makes us look like bunch of gun nuts to them. Please stop.
 
Who said anything about leaving a gun in a vehicle?

And I don't frankly give a rodents posterior what "they" think of me. Sense when was that the relevant consideration here? I am sure the antis would disapprove of most of what is discussed here, that is why they are antis.
If we are considering handguns to be carried around vehicles then we must acknowledge the likelihood that the handgun will be used either shooting into or out of a vehicle. Thus, the ability to penetrate windshields and auto body materials is a legitimate tactical consideration for the topic we are discussing.
 
Guns should not be left in cars as they can be stolen used to commit violent crime and the liberals will again try to pass laws limiting our second amendment rights. All this talk about bullets through windshields and auto bodies also makes us look like bunch of gun nuts to them. Please stop.

Guns can be stolen from your home just about as easily. There is nothing wrong with leaving a gun in a locked car. The crime is someone stealing it. Maybe we should blame the criminal not the lawful gun owner.
 
Whatever the manufacturer recommends; probably a "high quality firearms oil".

Some oils (usually those with great viscosity) work better at higher temperatures. A light oil can get to runny in high heat and evaporate just leaving residue.
 
I was at NTC in the Mojave Desert in 1986 and I came across an OP where soldiers had left behind some C-rats. They must have been left sitting there in the sun for a long time because we had switched over to MREs for at least a year. The cans were too hot to hold with bare hands, but I opened up the cracker tin and the crackers were fine :)

At the time, I was carrying a M1911A1 made by Singer :)

I'm aware that only six were actually accepted for issue and that of that limited number even fewer are publicly known to exist, so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Polymers are a complex subject as some are longer lasting that others in extreme temperatures. For example, the intake manifolds, heater valves, power steering reservoirs and antifreeze overflow containers under the hood of the car. They are subject to working temperatures of 260 degrees for a daily working life from -20 to 120 going from parked to end of road trip descending the Sierra Nevada into the California valley.

On the other hand the owners of G Shocks are aware the exterior molded parts and straps can degrade in as little as five years needing replacements. Substances like DEET don't help at all as it's a solvent.

Engineers pick their polymers to deal with the working environment and to prevent long term issues. If a polymer gun subjected to heat is bothersome, then an alloy framed gun with stainless slide and appropriated surface treatments can easily meet the task.

Heat isn't the real problem at all. It's humidity and swinging temperatures which could allow a cold gun to condense water on it from warm wet air. Same as a glass of tea when mowing the lawn, guns can and will do that. Cased, they trap the moisture so a recurring pattern in the spring and fall will cycle cause rust to get a foothold.

Then there is the issue of theft, and it's likely to become a bigger issue for the anti gunners in the future. It is being tracked and has gone on the upswing - people storing their gun in a parked car are noticeable, and there is more targeting of cars because of it.

There is also the added layer of difficulty with retrieving the gun and being familiar with its use when it's never taken out and practiced with. Too many sit inaccessible to the driver as if they will have all the time they need to stop the car, get out, go around to the back, retrieve the gun, etc. Anyone who has studied traffic light carjacking will easily see that you aren't going to be presented with that opportunity.

Far too many of the situations we could need a firearm require it be on you to respond. I see the "car gun" issue as a bandaid, a security blanket for those who won't carry. It's like a gun in the bedroom when you need it because you shouldn't have opened the front door - the #1 method intruders use to gain entrance. The gun is nowhere near where you need it.

Given the number of guns I have seen in pawn or gun store racks which are a mass of rust specks from car or truck carry, no, I don't see carbon steel being proof against it. Considering the number of vehicle break ins reported as the source of stolen guns, I wont go there. And not having it at hand when most of the likely scenarios seem to require it is the final straw.

If you think you need a car or trunk gun then you do understand the increased risk and are responding to that concern - however the solution isn't presenting good positive benefits to address them. A gun hidden away out of reach simply isn't a gun at all when you need it. Your ink pen in your pocket is a more accessible weapon and arguably better at the close contact ranges implied. Whatever else you encounter, simply mashing on the gas can solve.

I'm not suggesting ranchers or other rural inhabitants shouldn't have a truck gun, however, many of the negatives involved aren't in operation - higher density populations are the key issue, and they are the ones who present the dangers and also ransack vehicles. If you live around people in a cluster of inhabitants more closely packed than one per quarter mile - you aren't out in the country. It's suburbia and it's not as pretty as we'd like to think.

It's not the heat, humidity, polymer or ability to remain stored over a long period of time, its a people issue, and misapplying solutions to prevent being uncomfortable about carry doesn't fix the problem.
 
I think you're over complicating this; just about anything would work fine. I would field strip it several times a year, wipe off the old lube, and relube it. That should pretty much keep anything rust free and ready to rock. I also wouldn't worry about someone stealing it, at least not in terms of the monetary loss. You might keep it in a more secure box cabled to the frame under your seat as opposed to the glove box. At the end of the day, I would choose whatever I was good with, be it a Glock, revolver, etc. I think that's the more pressing issue is what kind of pistol you have the most experience with, that you can just pick up and run with. So if your everyday carry is a Glock 19, then get a Glock 19. Throwing something new in the mix is just going to complicate matters because then you have two guns you have to train with.
 
Glock proves polymer is heat safe. For a truck/car gun IMHO cheap is best B/C theft possibility. I have a Shield 9mm ($299) but a Taurus or KelTec would be great. Inspect it weekly, shoot it and clean it monthly. Get a lock box and cable it to a seat bracket. Also have a legal knife, a good flashlight, and pepper spray.
 
Guns can be stolen from your home just about as easily. There is nothing wrong with leaving a gun in a locked car. The crime is someone stealing it. Maybe we should blame the criminal not the lawful gun owner.

Car burglary has been banned, but it happens. Even if one does not care whether the burglar shoots someone else, one shoot care that one may interrupt the burglary of one's own vehicle, and be shot by the burglar, with HIS new-found gun.

In my patrol area, some burglars will target every pickup truck and Jeep in a parking lot. It seems they are mostly stealing guns. Like most such burglaries, they are smash-and-grab, so a small lock-box would protect the pistol.
 
Car burglary has been banned, but it happens. Even if one does not care whether the burglar shoots someone else, one shoot care that one may interrupt the burglary of one's own vehicle, and be shot by the burglar, with HIS new-found gun.

In my patrol area, some burglars will target every pickup truck and Jeep in a parking lot. It seems they are mostly stealing guns. Like most such burglaries, they are smash-and-grab, so a small lock-box would protect the pistol.

A small lock box also prevents quick access by the owner.
 
Saying a person should only keep cheap guns in their vehicle because it might get stolen is like saying you should only have cheap guns because it might kaboom. Something tells me the statistical probability of either one happening is about the same, and I'm sure it's extremely low, almost to the point of being nonexistent. Yet no one ever says don't buy that Nighthawk because it might blow up and then you're out 5k bucks.

Now if you offroad through salt water swamps or keep the gun in your tackle box and have no plans of ever taking care of it...okay, sure, but if you aren't taking care of it then your bigger worry is whether it will go bang when you need it to, as opposed to any monetary loss you might incur from ill treatment of your gun. Just because it's a car, truck, boat, tackle box gun doesn't mean you can treat it badly; the "take care of your gun and it will take care of you" rule still applies here.

So it's highly unlikely to get stolen, and you have to take care of it anyways (i.e. keep it lubed and keep the rust off of it), so there's no good reason to not get exactly what you want, and more importantly, exactly what you're proficient with and feel most comfortable with. And if that's a hipoint, or a hipoint is all you can afford, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but just because it's a hipoint is still no excuse to neglect it. Forget about what a gun costs. We don't take care of our guns because of their monetary value; we take care of them because we may someday have to depend on them for our lives.
 
I'm surprised the B6P hasn't rusted, I cleaned it today and there are quite a few places on the slide where the finish has worn off and bare metal is showing - mostly where the slide moves on the slide rails - where metal contacts metal as you'd expect.

I did use Lubriplate grease in those areas so maybe that's what prevented those bare spots from rusting.

Big difference from those Tennifer or Melonite finishes. My only comparison is a couple of Glocks I have, but it is a big difference - the only place that the finish has come off my Glocks is inside the slide by the barrel hood, and no where near as fast as the finish came off this B6P - of course there is a $200.00 price difference between the guns...
 
Use what you shoot well. This should be your only decision. Keep it lubricated and coat with a light oil on a regular basis.

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If you've never touched off a round in a car, it does get exciting. :scrutiny:
 
I would not leave a handgun in a vehicle these days. I keep an old Krag carbine in my truck although since I no longer deal with livestock in remote areas, not sure why I still do. The point being, if you leave it in a vehicle, do not feel too great a loss if it is gone when you return.
 
Keeping handgun in the vehicle 24/7 makes no sense especially if one carries handgun on their body. The only thing needed is some kind of strong box for storage if gun needs to be left in the car temporarily.
 
Keeping handgun in the vehicle 24/7 makes no sense especially if one carries handgun on their body. The only thing needed is some kind of strong box for storage if gun needs to be left in the car temporarily.
Funny, it has made sense to me for a very long time.
 
Keeping handgun in the vehicle 24/7 makes no sense especially if one carries handgun on their body. The only thing needed is some kind of strong box for storage if gun needs to be left in the car temporarily.

Oops, I meant to exclude ranchers or farmers from that assertion. It does make sense to pack a carbine in truck when doing farm chores and looking after farm animals. For city or suburban folk it makes zero sense to keep something hidden in a vehicle 24/7.
 
Keeping handgun in the vehicle 24/7 makes no sense especially if one carries handgun on their body. The only thing needed is some kind of strong box for storage if gun needs to be left in the car temporarily.
I can reach a revolver held in my console a helluvalot faster than my concealed sidearm when I'm buckled up.
A strong box, anchored to the floor (or wherever) is a great idea, and is secure 24/7
 
Oops, I meant to exclude ranchers or farmers from that assertion. It does make sense to pack a carbine in truck when doing farm chores and looking after farm animals. For city or suburban folk it makes zero sense to keep something hidden in a vehicle 24/7.
Because predators only come in the 4 legged variety?
 
I'm pretty sure that even the barrels and frames of so called "stainless guns" are not pure, austenitic, stainless steel. That's why magnets stick to them.:)

There are many, many kinds of stainless steels. Martinsitic, ferric, duplex, and precipitation hardened are almost always magnetic. 300 series stainless, due to their nickle content, typically isn't. Also, some are capable of becoming magnetic under certain heat treatments.
 
Keeping handgun in the vehicle 24/7 makes no sense especially if one carries handgun on their body.
And here is the thing, since I can’t carry at work there is a good chance that I won’t have one on my body. I may, I may not. It’s nice to know that it’s always there, always ready.

This is true. I cannot, however, quickly access a weapon which has been stolen from me, either. ;)
No, but I can replace it. It’s a Glock, not a Rembrandt.
 
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