What handgun points more naturally for you

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  1. CajunBass

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    A Smith & Wesson K-frame with a T-grip adapter added.

    But, since this is a semi-forum, and I hate to say it, but in my limited experience with one, a Glock 19. I was looking right down the sights with that thing for some reason. :what:

    Go figure. :eek:
     
  2. Madcap_Magician

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    I find if I aim the gun properly and index my pointer finger parallel to the barrel... all guns point naturally for me. Glock, M&P, 1911, SIG, DA revolver, SA revolver...
     
  3. wlewisiii

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    S&W Model 10 with a 4" pencil barrel. Nothing points better for me.
     
  4. rskent

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    For me, it has to be a 5” 1911.
     
  5. Dr.Rob

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    1911, or BHP with a Houge mono grip feel almost the same and are the most natural for me. All of my hi-power clones sport that monogrip.

    Ruger Vaquero old model with skinny grips is a great fit and feel.

    The only 'stock' pistol that points well for me was the Ruger Mk 2 target model, and I still changed the grips.
     
  6. AirForceShooter

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    Luger, 1911, BHP

    guess I'm old school

    AFS
     
  7. skoro

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    I have two that really fit my hand:

    1911
    S&W k-frame w/Tyler t-grip
     
  8. Rev. Chad

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    I would have to say a fixed sight K-frame S&W is the most natural for me to shoot with.
     
  9. TestPilot

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    There is much more to how a gun points in relation to the grip and wrist angle than just the angle of the rear of the grip.

    - First, there is the issue of the grip angle of the front of the grip.

    - Also, the huge hump on the lower rear of Glock's grip is much more pronounced than that of the arched main spring housing of a 1911. I've shot both, and they don't feel or act same at all.

    - The trigger of Glock is much lower than its grip tang, which forces a downward pointed finger when firing.
     
  10. TestPilot

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    None pointed "natrually."

    However, some pistols required less effort for me to get to point where I wanted them to and keeping them there.

    Least effort:
    S&W M&P, S&W 3rd Gen with curved back strap, H&K USP, H&K P2000, H&K P30, CZ-75, BHP, Walther PPQ, XD.

    Adequate:
    Most SIG Sauer, 1911 with arched MSH, "Bob tailed" 1911, Beretta.

    Disfavor because grip angle too vertical:
    1911 with flat mainspring housing, S&W 3rd Gen with flat back strap.

    Disfavor because grip angle too forward:
    Glock. H&K P7, most revolvers.
     
  11. AK103K

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    Dang! All that makes my head hurt. :D

    I guess Im just lucky. I dont have grip phobia issues. Dont have trigger phobia issues either.

    I just pick them up and shoot them.
     
  12. Peakbagger46

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    Glock for me. Low bore axis and fits my big hand well. Probably a lot of it has to do with the number of rounds through the platform (training) as well.

    My little J-frame point shoots well too.
     
  13. tomrkba

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    I use the sights and don't worry about it. The sights override any deviations caused by grip angle.
     
  14. dakota1911

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    1911s with flat MSH and long trigger.
     
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    The 1911 is the most ergonomic for me for a single stack. But thats if it has an arched mainspring housing. (Yeah i know im one of the few that prefer them.) As far as double stack its hard to beat the S&W M&p full size. Fits me great. YMMV of course.
     
  16. HankB

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    I assess "pointability" by focusing my eye on some distant "target" and picking up a pistol with one hand; then I close my eyes, raise the pistol until it feels like it's on target, and then open my eyes.

    Doing this several times lets me know which gun is a "natural pointer" in my hands.

    I've found that the BHP, 1911s, and Glocks are all pretty good, as are most DA S&W revolvers.

    Most SIG, Ruger, and S&W auto pistols are pretty bad. (The Sig P210 being an exception.)

    Beretta 92 is OK . . . unless it has the "Vertec" grip frame.
     
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    I do the same thing as well, in addition to observing my success (or lack thereof) point shooting.

    For me, my favorite is the S&W N Frame with a 4"+ barrel, followed closely by S&W K Frames and Ruger "Six" series DA revolvers.

    In autos my favorites are 5" 1911s and CZ-75s. I've not fired my Hi Power enough to draw any conclusions, but I do love how it feels in my hands.
     
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    I second wlewisiii, in the Model 10 comment, but also include the 15. The .357 Mod 19 is good but something about weight/balance makes the .38s a bit better. The Model 14 bbl. length is good for bullseye type accuracy, but that is different than pointability.

    Honorable mention to 1911, and it is interesting that I find pointability better for Luger P08 and Ruger (Mk II) than Glock. I'm not sure what all of my failure to bond with the Glocks is all about, but it is there.
     
  19. DHJenkins

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    The gun doesn't matter; it's about practice. Your hand/wrist will get used to anything. POA/POI will coincide even if shooting a derringer gangsta-style if you practice that way.
     
  20. btg3

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    A lot about grip angle is mentioned in this thread -- indicating concern about where shots hit vertically.

    Pro-shooters on youtube talk about point of aim affecting where shots hit horizontally and adjust body position to correct/adjust natural point of aim.

    Which is it? I'm inclined to think "muscle memory", AKA practice.
     
  21. TestPilot

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    That is a delusion. Equipment matters, period.

    I have seen Rob Letham shoot with his race gear, then a stock gun. The difference was VERY evident.

    Ill fitting gun increses the amount of effort to achieve the same result.
     
  22. TestPilot

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    No.

    I am not going to hit the ceiling because I am shooting a Glock.

    I hit the same spot with a Glock as I am shooting an M&P or 1911.

    The difference is that I need to exert more effort to achieve the same result with a grip angle I disfavour.
     
  23. AK103K

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    If youve spent some time with the gun before, and are familiar with it, it shouldnt take any time or effort at all, to switchback and forth between them.

    Even if you havent shot the gun before, and you track the sights, your brain quickly adapts, and once you start to become familiar with the gun, youre soon shooting it without thought as to how it might point. Your brain takes care of things, and has its index down, and you dont lose that.

    I think most of this is just lack of experience with guns of different grip angles (which really dont vary all that much anyway), and people over thinking things.
     
  24. 1MoreFord

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    IMO there are two "natural" grip angles for pistols. The 1911 with a *flat* MSH is one of them and the Luger is the other. No other pistol grip angle is "natural". The 1911 angle is for a firm extended wrist like a boxer's and the Luger is for a relaxed wrist. IMNSHO anything in between doesn't point. I'm in the 1911 camp.

    Revolvers are a bit different still with some preferring the SA Army version and others preferring one of the DA revolver grips. I'm in the Dan Wesson with V shaped finger groove "combat" grips camp here. Modded Smith K frames with Fuzzy Farrants works too. The ones I'm referring to mimic the 1911 grip angle.
     
  25. TestPilot

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    That depends on what standard we are talking about.

    Sure, "Some time with a gun" is enough familiarity for plinking. I am familiar with Glocks enough to out shoot most Glock owners with their own gun.

    But, stories become different when standard is about survival.

    I have received formal training with Glock. I have shot a 5000 rounds through it, at a minimum, for training. I would have no problem defending myself with it in most defensive shooting scenarios.

    But, I would be kidding myself if I can do it at the same level of performance as I can with my current primary pistol.
     
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