What Happened to Remington & Winchester

[eastbank]

when someone has any thing happen to them when useing a device that can maybe hurt or kill them, they sue even if it was their own fault and big companies with deep pockets find it cheaper to settle. i,m sure thats not 100 precent of the time as anything man made can fail, but i,m sure its has happened.

 

[Gbro]

Then you also have the company that covered up their sins with non-disclosure settlements enter into marketing contracts to build guns for Big Box stores for $100.00!
But sadly they couldn't and those guns cost Big Box's $107.00
And Welcomed into the market the Remington 710 & 720 .
Now the Butter Soft Iron of the 1880s(state of the art) is replaced by Polymers.
I digress

 

[Mcdaddy]

I own and have shot, hunted with box and i'd say they are still in the game and top notch quality control.

 

[mm93]

For those who think Remington is dead, here's a link:

Remington

For more than 200 years, Remington firearms have been forged from the untamed spirit that will always define the American spirit — Revolutionizing an industry. Building a nation. This is Remington Country.

www.remarms.com

Remington split up all their assets when they went into bankruptcy, and the firearms manufacturing was purchased by Remington employees and moved from Ilion, NY. They are alive and well, and still producing rifles and shotguns. And from what I've seen of their offerings the quality is as good or better than before.

 

[Gbro]

For those who haven't seen the issue behind the Walker Trigger,
Here is Remington And the Author of "Unsafe by Design" is interviewed.
Here

 

[0ne3]

If Remington and Winchester Marlin are gone. Who make the weapons for our military.

 

[3Crows]

If Remington and Winchester Marlin are gone. Who make the weapons for our military.

I doubt Marlin was a huge supplier of weapons to the military. However, if the Army decides it needs a bunch of .30-30 or .45-70 lever guns then Marlin can supply them and they are made in Mayodan, NC:

 

[.45Coltguy]

Yep, "Marlin" did indeed make a comeback thanks to Ruger. A very fine lever rifle.

 

[9x56MS]

Same thing that happens to most good companies eventually, crappy management making bad decisions.

 

[dogtown tom]

If Remington and Winchester Marlin are gone. Who make the weapons for our military.

For the last seventy odd years those three were nearly inconsequential when discussing US military small arms manufacturers.
Other than small purchases of specialty firearms, those companies generally marketed only to the commercial sporting or LE market.

List of individual weapons of the U.S. Armed Forces
Remington did make the 700, customized as the M24, Winchester did provide some shotguns. I can't find any reference to any Marlin firearm in the military after WWII.

The military, ie DOD, has used several manufacturers to fill US government contracts for foreign governments. Bushmaster, DPMS, Remington among others, did provide AR rifles for foreign military and police, but not US troops.

 

[Varminterror]

For those who think Remington is dead, here's a link:

Remington

For more than 200 years, Remington firearms have been forged from the untamed spirit that will always define the American spirit — Revolutionizing an industry. Building a nation. This is Remington Country.

www.remarms.com

Remington split up all their assets when they went into bankruptcy, and the firearms manufacturing was purchased by Remington employees and moved from Ilion, NY. They are alive and well, and still producing rifles and shotguns. And from what I've seen of their offerings the quality is as good or better than before.

This is about as sugar coated as a harsh reality ever could be stated.

"Purchased by employees" is a nice way of saying that a crook was hired by the investors to valorize the assets while running Remington into the ground, hired by the investors to ride the legacy company into bankruptcy, and then purchased by this crook from the ashes of the fire he fueled to start a new company which preys on unwitting customers by using the legacy name and designs. Crooked Ken did the same thing when he bounced ownership of Crosman air guns around different hands, taking personal bonuses throughout every turn and failing product quality and customer service, then bounced Tippman paintball guns off of a bankruptcy before being hired to recoup investor dollars out of the Remington business leading into its bankruptcy... Convenient that he somehow can run a profitable business on the same equipment and same products today which he couldn't do in the years prior... He's just running another pump and dump where he'll valorize the name, escaping the liabilities of the Sandy Hook lawsuit and ugliness, and he'll sell it off again to finance his next personal thrill-seeking adventure...

Quality of the product is irrelevant when there's no quality in the man who owns and runs the company.

 

[dogtown tom]

This is about as sugar coated as a harsh reality ever could be stated.

"Purchased by employees" is a nice way of saying that a crook was hired by the investors to valorize the assets while running Remington into the ground, hired by the investors to ride the legacy company into bankruptcy, and then purchased by this crook from the ashes of the fire he fueled to start a new company which preys on unwitting customers by using the legacy name and designs. Crooked Ken did the same thing when he bounced ownership of Crosman air guns around different hands, taking personal bonuses throughout every turn and failing product quality and customer service, then bounced Tippman paintball guns off of a bankruptcy before being hired to recoup investor dollars out of the Remington business leading into its bankruptcy... Convenient that he somehow can run a profitable business on the same equipment and same products today which he couldn't do in the years prior... He's just running another pump and dump where he'll valorize the name,

Remington wasn't "purchased by employees", but auctioned by the federal bankruptcy court. The Roundhill Group is an investment company and one of several companies that the court sold Freedom Group assets to. The Roundhill Group does have investors/board members/officers who formerly worked for Remington.

escaping the liabilities of the Sandy Hook lawsuit and ugliness, and he'll sell it off again to finance his next personal thrill-seeking adventure...

"Escaping liabilities"? In no shape, manner or form should Remington have been liable for anything related to Sandy Hook. Being that the company no longer existed after bankruptcy, the lawsuit damages were paid out by the insurer.

Quality of the product is irrelevant when there's no quality in the man who owns and runs the company.

That makes no sense. A quality product most certainly CAN be produced by someone who is morally & ethically corrupt........look at Glock and SIG.

 

[Steve S.]

All of this wisdom but no substance - all theory and opinion - all just guesses. Always reference Occam’s Razor for simple guidance - companies have lifespans - they are born, they grow, they mature and then they die. Amazon will die, Alphabet (Google) will die, Meta (FB) will die, etc - most of the companies listed on stock exchanges over history are dead and gone - old is replaced with new. The only thing that is guaranteed in the a Universe is that it will change. Everything else is people typing on blogs with guesses and speculation. Remington and Winchester and Marlin and ….. are all gone for one extremely simple reason, they exhausted their lifespan just like thousands of other companies - business and economic Darwinism - nothing more.

 

[dogtown tom]

All of this wisdom but no substance - all theory and opinion - all just guesses. Always reference Occam’s Razor for simple guidance - companies have lifespans - they are born, they grow, they mature and then they die. Amazon will die, Alphabet (Google) will die, Meta (FB) will die, etc - most of the companies listed on stock exchanges over history are dead and gone - old is replaced with new. The only thing that is guaranteed in the a Universe is that it will change. Everything else is people typing on blogs with guesses and speculation. Remington and Winchester and Marlin and ….. are all gone for one extremely simple reason, they exhausted their lifespan just like thousands of other companies - business and economic Darwinism - nothing more.

Yet here they are. All still here for one extremely simple reason, their name value has value.

Browning, Charles Daly, Iver Johnson, High Standard all live on because someone out there thinks those brand names have value. Heck Inglis has been resurrected with ones of the silliest, if not outright fraudulent marketing campaigns that defies facts.

 

[Varminterror]

There’s no opinion in stating the factual employment history and bankruptcy records of those companies, nor the fact that same man, the former president, bought the company (NOT an association of employees, such as those which purchased Savage Arms from Vista) out of the bankruptcy proceedings. Those aren’t opinions, those are facts.

 

[dogtown tom]

There’s no opinion in stating the factual employment history and bankruptcy records of those companies, nor the fact that same man, the former president, bought the company (NOT an association of employees, such as those which purchased Savage Arms from Vista) out of the bankruptcy proceedings. Those aren’t opinions, those are facts.

Absolutely true.

 

[Varminterror]

In no shape, manner or form should Remington have been liable for anything related to Sandy Hook.

Sounds great, but that’s not what the court decided.

 

[Varminterror]

Heck Inglis has been resurrected with ones of the silliest, if not outright fraudulent marketing campaigns that defies facts.

Bushmaster is in that category as well. The new group only bought the trademarks, no other aspect of the business, but they are marketing themselves as producing legacy products on a proud tradition… it may not be outright fraud, but it’s damned sure dishonest and misleading advertising.

 

[dogtown tom]

Sounds great, but that’s not what the court decided.

No court decided anything.....it never went to trial.
The insurers settled without going to trial.

 

[Rlafever]

Winchester and Browning are kennel mates ,or brace mates if you prefer
Remington is a heartache

 

[ilbob]

I've been out of touch for a while, but lately it looks like the better Remington and Winchester rifles are hard to find. I remember Remington had some civil cases filed against them over their triggers, but I don't recall Winchester having problems lately. What happened? I miss their rifles, although last week I did pick up a nice pre64 model 70 in 243.

They made products that were not what gun buyers wanted, or at least not enough gun buyers wanted. Like many other companies that did not figure out the market was changing, they got hurt badly because they missed the turns in the market place. The market place is ruthless when you are making products no one wants to buy anymore.

 

[sage5907]

Winchester Model 70s are as good now as they’ve ever been.

If I had to buy a new high powered rifle now it would be a Winchester 70 because they are made for a hunter. Their 3 position safety on the bolt shroud is easy to use in the field because it locks the fining pin instead of the trigger, and the floor plate is easy to open and close. You can load and unload it with the safety on and run through the brush without the bolt coming open. I like the controlled feed action, and it's flat bottom with it's integral recoil lug is easy to bed. I didn't like it when they changed to only two bolts holding the action in place and fine threads on the barrel tenon but that is mostly cosmetic.

 

[.45Coltguy]

If I had to buy a new high powered rifle now it would be a Winchester 70 because they are made for a hunter. Their 3 position safety on the bolt shroud is easy to use in the field because it locks the fining pin instead of the trigger, and the floor plate is easy to open and close. You can load and unload it with the safety on and run through the brush without the bolt coming open. I like the controlled feed action, and it's flat bottom with it's integral recoil lug is easy to bed. I didn't like it when they changed to only two bolts holding the action in place and fine threads on the barrel tenon but that is mostly cosmetic.

If I'm buying a new rifle, it would be a Mod 70 Featherweight Compact.

 

[CowboyTim]

If I'm buying a new rifle, it would be a Mod 70 Featherweight Compact.

I have 2 FN produced(South Carolina) M70 Featherweights in .270 Win and .257 Roberts. Fit and finish on both rifles is really excellent. Haven't handled the .270 much, but the .257 is a solid MOA rifle. IMHO they are as good as an M70 has ever been.