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What happened to this AK 47?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by FIVETWOSEVEN, Feb 2, 2011.

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  1. FIVETWOSEVEN

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  2. Jeff82

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    Squib load followed by full charge round?
     
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    My mother always used to say "That's Alla's way of getting you back for something you did wrong...." or something to that effect :)
     
  4. Prince Yamato

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    It could have been a pot-metal Khyber Pass AK loaded with factory ammo. That could probably be why it blew to heck.
     
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    My vote says he had a squib and it blocked the barrel.
     
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    Where did it happen?

    I see no information in the video and don't wish to spend the time tracking down other sources of the same video to learn where it happened.




    The explosive power looks a bit excessive for a typical squib. That could certainly be blamed on "pot metal" cheap guns, and it could just as easily be a result of something like a more modern Project Eldest Son.

    Project Eldest Son was a Vietnam War era project to introduce rounds loaded with a special powder designed to look like regular powder that would generate many times the pressure violently blowing up guns.
    They made similar rounds for things like mortars that would detonate the entire payload in the tube.

    http://www.jcs-group.com/military/war1964/project.html

    Of important note is that at that time they didn't want the enemy to know the devastating and often lethal results were intentional sabotage.
    Rather they wanted the enemy to begin to doubt the safety of their own firearms. Akin to no longer trusting factory ammo or weapons.
    Very much akin to considering their own weapons "pot-metal Khyber Pass".





    It is certainly something I would expect in modern counter insurgency.
    I can certainly see projects to cause distrust of various insurgent weapons.
    In an area where locals make everything from ammo to guns to mortar and RPG warheads in caves, or smuggle them in.
    I can certainly see various clandestine programs going on.

    (Organized insurgents with local police and military allies or members could probably create similar problems with weapons used by the military.)


    A force that comes to distrust its own weapons is a less effective fighting force.

    I have seen similar explosions with insurgents using mortar rounds.


    I would not doubt a modern Eldest Son, or even a range of such programs as a part of various counter insurgency tactics.
     
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    Lee, that was a fascinating article. Thanks for posting that. With the availability of surplus ammo, are there decent odds some of those rounds could still be out there?
     
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    that was a great article, and something that I have never heard of. I read as much as I can, as my dad was an Army Air Cav Pilot over there. That was very interesting, and I am going to ask my uncle about it, as he was a Navy SEAL in the Mekong delta during Nam also. Thanks!
     
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    Looks like it could have been of those eldest son special rounds. IIRC from the article I read about it (In American Rifleman I think a few months ago?) the goal was to send the bolt back through the head of the VC.
     
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    They didnt clean the rifle. I am C-R-A-Z-Y over cleaning my guns and handling them. More so cleaning.
     
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    I read on another forum this kaboom occurred in Lebanon.
     
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    I have seen videos of kids loading AK rounds using a scoop for powder...could easily have been a overcharge. A squib normally wouldn't cycle the action as the gas/bullet usually doesn't reach the gas block
     
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    I might be wrong but it looks like a round was fired way out of battery.
    Many reasons why this can happen. Could be out of spec or not well serviced AK. I am guessing it is really hard to tell w/o inspecting the leftovers.
    Cheers,
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    are there decent odds some of those rounds could still be out there?

    I'd say if any were still out there, the odds of 'finding' one would be awfully long.

    that was a fascinating article

    John has written several books about his time in SOG- they're well worth reading. And he's a trip in real life too- I used to have lunch with him every once in a while at Ft. Bragg, back when I was working for a living. See http://www.librarything.com/author/plasterjohn

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    Looks like it exploded from the chamber. bad round, sabotaged round. Or maybe the gun was made by Century.
     
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    that eldest son article is unbelievable....and awesome
     
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    I agree the eldest son article is very nice. Thank you for sharing.
    If someone finds one of those babies in some surplus sales from who knows where we are going to have some serious fireworks.
     
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    My vote goes to the combination of poor build quality and a OOB discharge (which was likely a result of the poor build quality of the firearm) to set off the grenade. I doubt that it was a squib because the rifle cycled properly (atypical of squibs) and the damage appeared to be fairly localized to the receiver. IMO an overcharged cartridge is highly unlikely (due to the severity of the damage), but sabotaged is possible (but still unlikely).

    :)
     
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    Inshallah. Don't over think it, I'm sure haji isn't ;)
     
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    Eldest Son, what a marvelous lad! Glad to see ol' Ho wasn't the only one with a devious mind! LOL

    Semper Fi
     
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