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What harm could be caused by a loose shotgun cartridge?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by vito, Jan 12, 2019.

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  1. berettaprofessor

    berettaprofessor Member

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    Lets see if I got this straight...your relative was in YOUR home, was nosing around in your workshop, and freaked out over a loose 12 gauge shell? Bye bye relative.

    I am curious, though. There was no other indication you might have firearms or ammo around? The relative doesn’t know you shoot?
     
  2. FL-NC

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    You aren't wrong. For one thing, it's your house, and second, it's just a shotgun shell- its not a stick of sweaty dynamite. The tools that are probably in your workshop are much more dangerous than a lone shotgun shell not even in a gun. Also, once I shot the primers out of a couple 12 gauge rounds on the range with a very accurate 22 at about 50 yards- very unimpressive. One of them still had the wad and some pellets in it.
     
  3. Wisco

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    We should have a whole thread about dopey family members and the holidays.

    OP - there's not a thing wrong with unsecured anything in YOUR home. Seems there was a problem with unattended kids and insecure parents.
     
  4. InTheField

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    I would guess the only possible real problem would be a young kid pocketing the shell, talking it to school to show off to buddies, getting caught by staff with it and getting a significant suspension from school as a result. More likely than you might think. We had a local farm kid suspended from elementary school 10 days because of a few .22 shells he had in his coat pocket after an afternoon of shooting with his dad.
     
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  5. hso

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    Since you didn't state the age of the "older child" I can't gauge the risk. Young enough to choke on it if they put it in their mouth? Old enough to try some of the stupid things we did like hitting the primer with a nail? It all depends.

    If there weren't any kids in the house at the time and he's panicked over a theoretical then the question becomes where'd this theoretical kid come from and how'd it get into your shop?
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^
    Other than that, not much

    (the real danger is in refrigerator magnets)


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  7. Birdhunter1

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    I’m finally at the point the blood relation I have that would freak out over such a thing I no longer claim as a relative and they don’t come visit.
     
  8. 25-20 WCF

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    Facts anyone?



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  9. LRDGCO

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    You should have been on the call when the principal of my son's elementary school rang me one afternoon. He was in tge third grade and the ever vigilant school officials nabbed him with a fired 30-06 case. They "nabbed" him because he brought it out at show and tell. Much freaking out ensued, although the principal did compliment my son for having explained that it was an empty piece of brass and therefore "inert". Apparently appreciated the vocabulary. There was "did I have firearms lying about the house?" and " how did he get ammunition? " and "what kind of a parent are you?" .

    To which I replied, "The kind that when asked by my son for a fired case for 'show and tell' made sure that he would explain that it was an empty case and therefore 'inert' so that stupid, effete, liberals wouldn't freak out when he then showed them a an empty metal tube". That produced the desired awkward pause. He then said that I could retrieve the case from his office. I noted that I had plenty and he could keep it and use it to scare all his friends.

    Never did speak to that fellow again.
     
  10. entropy

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    It might induce 13 year olds to duct tape ball bearings to the primer and toss them against the wall, but from what I've heard, the results were less than spectacular......;)
     
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  11. Trey Veston

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    I have a 3yr old grandson and have seen how he likes to grab toys and bang them on things. I would never let him play with live ammunition. But, your kid. Just don't let CPS find out about it or he'll end up in a foster home.
     
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  12. RETG

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    I bet your relatives believe that if an Air Marshal shot a round at a terrorist and it went through the side of a plane, everyone would be sucked out via that little hole and the plane would dissolve in midair.
     
  13. DoubleMag

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    OK, the forward D gears work fine let's try N or R for a minute.

    Reverse gears, what if ''Relative Ralph'' was thanked? Like, ''Gee RR, THANKS A TON! I didn't remember firing 5 rounds at the range, but thought I did. Ammo is expensive thnx for finding that for me.'' Followed by, ''See that's why I don't allow the kids in here without an adult present.'' ''Could you do me a favor and not tell Mary about this, keep it in-the-shop between men?''

    All at no cost whatsoever, RR has done you a ''favor''. I mean, if the grandkids were over and did the exact same thing (found a live shell) I would thank them, good job, proud of you etc.

    At the office party everyone HATES for Sour Sam to show up, so why not blow the party horns and applaud ''HEYYY EVERYONE! SAM'S HERE WE CAN REALLY START!!'' Make SS feel important.


    Conquer Mt Everest 1 step at a time. Yes sometimes the mountain wins. If the (-) nanny approach yields any positive results, or takes less energy to act, go that way.
     
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  14. Spats McGee

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    When I first read this, I thought, "yeah, that probably should have been better secured . . . " but then I remembered how much ammo I have in my garage, which will soon be a workshop. Mine isn't rolling around loose. It's in boxes labeled "AMMO," and I'm not sure that's any safer. I'm not That Guy with tens of thousands of rounds, but I have enough that I couldn't fit it all in my safe without moving the guns out. I doubt your anti-gun relative would approve of that, either.

    Then I remembered that I found three .22 rounds loose in my range bag while cleaning out a few days ago, so I can't swear I don't have some loose ammo rolling around my house somewhere.

    While I wouldn't want my child playing with live ammo, because you never know what kinds of experiments they'll come up with, one loose shotgun round under your workbench really isn't a big deal.

    Out of curiosity, why was your relative looking under your workbench?
     
  15. edwardware

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    Dude, obviously! A 12ga cartridge is almost as bad as a Lego brick when you step on it in bare feet, and it rolls to boot! Think of the children!

    Ask your relative how much experience she has handling ammo, and why she's so certain it's dangerous. Just maybe, you'll trick her into actually thinking instead of feeling.
     
  16. jmorris

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    There is always someone that ruins a good relative bashing thread with facts...;)
     
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    I agree with that thought. In reality, one would have a hard time setting it off. The only way I can imagine setting one off 'in my hand' is to hold it in one hand and apply a heat source (match, cigarette lighter, soldering iron, etc) to the primer with the other hand. Which is pretty intentional.

    Even then, the resulting 'explosion' would be rather disappointing. Shotgun shells (or rounds, since I think in metallic terms) are loaded to a rather low pressure level. Without the confinement of a chamber and barrel, the primer would most likely pop out and perhaps the crimp on the front end would open up and largely spill the pellets and wad. I doubt one would obtain much ballistic action.
    No one likes a pukey drunk. The keys to the automobile would be far worst in my estimation.
    Hammering on the primer end is reasonably ineffective. The face of the primer and the face of the shell are even, so all the force would be absorbed by the shell itself with little force to the primer. If the shell were held in the other hand, the other arm would likely absorb most of the impact in being moved. One would either have to lay the shell down on the floor (cement would work best) and then hit the upper side of the head in order to crush the primer. Even then, one would have to flatten the rim on either side before transmitting much force to the primer. Or one could hold the shell in the off hand and use a nail to transfer energy from the hammer to the pin. But I don't have three arms; I've tried and haven't succeeded.

    I am sure kids have managed to set off loose rounds and started themselves and probably scared their parents silly. Probably with little physical result but a great concern of the parents - ignorant of the reality - who fear 'what might have happened'.
    Well put, sir.)
    The original poster said the shotgun shell had fallen underneath the bench. As if the original poster stored them loose on the floor. Your comment is quite similar to 'you should have spelled the word correctly". Yes, people should spell words correctly and store ammunition correctly, but life happens and things do not always go according to plan. To foresee the connection between an accident - unless you think the poster knew the shell was 'there' and elected to ignore it - and the visit of an irrational relative is a bit over presumptuous.

    Probably good manners.
    Go to the range? With all those dangerous guns? Just waiting to kill a good, non-thinking democrat?
    Actually, that would be a good idea, but I doubt if the idea or offer would go very far.
     
  18. Zerodefect

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    Grab some fishing line.
    Some hot glue or tiny crimp things.
    Some fancy brass rod or wrought iron rod.

    Make some mobile art like all of those fancy rustic country stores that suburbanites love so much. Hang near front door to scare off weird relatives.

    Like so, with shotgun shells:
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    dd416a4ac130756a2f1b6236b34a14a0--mobile--hanging-mobile.jpg
     
  19. Jeff Burgess

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    Well dang now I’ve got to try this.? Wonder if it’s better then the spark plug filled with match heads
     
  20. Robert

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    Asked, answered and drifting off topic.
     
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