What if I'm not a 1911 kinda guy?
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Treo
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QUOTE: "this 1911 is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it. Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Glock."
The only problem I have W/ this is that if a GLOCK's gonna be anything in Star Wars it's gonna be a red lightsaber.
The only problem I have W/ this is that if a GLOCK's gonna be anything in Star Wars it's gonna be a red lightsaber.
easyg
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I agree 100%.
I've fired and seen way too many 1911's that were not reliable to believe such internet claims.
Wildfire
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Now Now.
Hey there:
While I can see many of the points made for different models here . There remains one fact.
Many companies have risen to fame by improving the 1911 platform . Kimber is one. There are way too many to list. These are some of the finest hand guns in the world even in todays world. Had the design been no good or not worth fooling with , No one would have. This same gun has been use for every thing from the muddyest combat conditions to very fine target shooting and has earned a very good reputation at both and every thing in between.
While I personally do not care for any double action auto, I do know that there are many that do like the Glocks. I have friends that are cops and they were issued Glocks and Flat out hate them. But that is what they must carry.
After spending a lot of time shooting IPSC, I have a hard time recalling any Glocks on the line. In fact none that I can remember. Almost all were of the 1911 platform.
In the years to come we will all see how the roll of the Glock plays out. I am not sugesting that they won't be around, I am saying , lets wait and see, if any gun makers pick up on the Glock thing and make improvements and if they will survive the next 100 years or so. No one knows what may happen .
In the mean time ... Use what you like. Some of the new Kimbers and other makes are very hard to beat in the accuracy game (out of the box).
Hey there:
While I can see many of the points made for different models here . There remains one fact.
Many companies have risen to fame by improving the 1911 platform . Kimber is one. There are way too many to list. These are some of the finest hand guns in the world even in todays world. Had the design been no good or not worth fooling with , No one would have. This same gun has been use for every thing from the muddyest combat conditions to very fine target shooting and has earned a very good reputation at both and every thing in between.
While I personally do not care for any double action auto, I do know that there are many that do like the Glocks. I have friends that are cops and they were issued Glocks and Flat out hate them. But that is what they must carry.
After spending a lot of time shooting IPSC, I have a hard time recalling any Glocks on the line. In fact none that I can remember. Almost all were of the 1911 platform.
In the years to come we will all see how the roll of the Glock plays out. I am not sugesting that they won't be around, I am saying , lets wait and see, if any gun makers pick up on the Glock thing and make improvements and if they will survive the next 100 years or so. No one knows what may happen .
In the mean time ... Use what you like. Some of the new Kimbers and other makes are very hard to beat in the accuracy game (out of the box).
Treo
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QUOTE: "And of course the red lightsabers were carried by the baddest dudes"
You mean like Darth Vader (dead), Darth Maul (dead) or Darth Siodus (dead) and even though you never saw it Emporer Palpatine (dead).
Yeah, right, the baddest (dead) dudes.
Your powers are weak old man, on the Death Star only I am professional enough to handle thi.BOOM!
Once again you've underestimated the power of the Force DEArth.
You mean like Darth Vader (dead), Darth Maul (dead) or Darth Siodus (dead) and even though you never saw it Emporer Palpatine (dead).
Yeah, right, the baddest (dead) dudes.
Your powers are weak old man, on the Death Star only I am professional enough to handle thi.BOOM!
Once again you've underestimated the power of the Force DEArth.
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I tried to be a 1911 person, it just didn't fit me. The ones I had were reliable and felt good in the hand, but I just couldn't shoot them well. On the other hand I can tear the bullseye out of a target with my Glock 21. To each their own.
orienteeer
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To each their own.
got dat right.
got dat right.
rellascout
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It is so true that to each their own.
My sister in law loves to shoot. She loves AR15, AK47,Sigs, CZ,Bernetta, shotguns etc.... But she is not as she puts it "One of those Gals."
We laugh. She loves to shoot but does not like the 1911.
I am working on her. She has being shooting BHP so we are moving closer.
My sister in law loves to shoot. She loves AR15, AK47,Sigs, CZ,Bernetta, shotguns etc.... But she is not as she puts it "One of those Gals."
We laugh. She loves to shoot but does not like the 1911.
I am working on her. She has being shooting BHP so we are moving closer.
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Look for a used Dan Wesson CBOB Commander. Should fit your requirements and budget very nicely.
Myself, I have owned only two 1911s.
My first semi-auto was a Combat Commander.
The second 1911 was the CBOB.
Both worked very well, but I like CZ75s much more.
Myself, I have owned only two 1911s.
My first semi-auto was a Combat Commander.
The second 1911 was the CBOB.
Both worked very well, but I like CZ75s much more.
I like my 1911 . . . it's made here in Arkansas and well done at that. Cost about as much as 3-4 of the pistols I would normally buy - even used.
That said, the .45 ACP I shoot the best with is a Ruger P345. Bullseye, weak hand, rapid fire and point shooting all seem to be better for me with the Ruger over the 1911.
Now then, I'm not getting rid of the 1911 - ever. It's a classic and maybe one of the best examples of modern American gunmaking. Doubt it'll ever go down in value - it's fun to shoot and will likely make a great graduation present for my son in about 16 years.
That said, the .45 ACP I shoot the best with is a Ruger P345. Bullseye, weak hand, rapid fire and point shooting all seem to be better for me with the Ruger over the 1911.
Now then, I'm not getting rid of the 1911 - ever. It's a classic and maybe one of the best examples of modern American gunmaking. Doubt it'll ever go down in value - it's fun to shoot and will likely make a great graduation present for my son in about 16 years.
Confederate your information on the trials is completely bogus , the 1911 didn't fall flat on it's face as it was never given a chance to compete in the trials .
The militarys goal was to replace not only the aging 1911's that were all at the very least 30+ years old but also to actually standardize on a single weapon and replace the hodge Podge of handguns all branches of the service used such as S&W 38 revolvers .
They had Prior to the trial beginning decided the features the weapon would have were 1 , a DA/SA trigger and 2 the caliber would be 9mm to standardize with NATO Nations from the git go .
If Colt was represented at all in the trials it was with a prototype weapon similar to the Double Eagle that never went over but that was Colts first try at developing a DA/Sa weapon .
The militarys goal was to replace not only the aging 1911's that were all at the very least 30+ years old but also to actually standardize on a single weapon and replace the hodge Podge of handguns all branches of the service used such as S&W 38 revolvers .
They had Prior to the trial beginning decided the features the weapon would have were 1 , a DA/SA trigger and 2 the caliber would be 9mm to standardize with NATO Nations from the git go .
If Colt was represented at all in the trials it was with a prototype weapon similar to the Double Eagle that never went over but that was Colts first try at developing a DA/Sa weapon .
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"Folks have died because they forgot to switch the safety off on their 1911"
Folks have died because they fail to keep their head about them in a time of crisis and because they have NOT PRACTICED. And it would not matter one iota if the gun had a manual safety or not. Those people were going to die regardless of what gun you gave them. Why? Because they could not operate effectively under the stress of the situation.
Folks have died because they fail to keep their head about them in a time of crisis and because they have NOT PRACTICED. And it would not matter one iota if the gun had a manual safety or not. Those people were going to die regardless of what gun you gave them. Why? Because they could not operate effectively under the stress of the situation.
XM9 Pistol Trials of 1984:
Guns tested:
1. Beretta 92 SB-F
2. Colt SSP (a ss double action pistol that combined elements of the 1911 and SIG P210)
3. FN Double Action Hi Power
4. H&K P7 M13
5. Sig P226
6. S&W 459
7. Steyer GB
8. Walther P88 (version prior to the civilian version)
US Army requirements:
Double action - defined as the "ability of the shooter to get a second strike on a malfunctioning primer without having to use his support hand to recock the hammer or reset the slide" Capacity of at least 10 rounds (15 Preferred).
By this definition the Glock was not technically acceptable.
1911A1's were used as control weapons in the test and the 9mm's had to equal or surpass the 1911's performance.
First phase at Ft. Dix NJ - Firing pin energy test and reliability and endurance test (3 pistols had to fire 7000 rounds and outperform the 1911 and if one pistol failed all failed). Beretta, Sig and S&W all outperformed the 1911A1 which had a reliability rate of 99.30%. This test also caused the first casuality of the tests the Steyer GB failed to equal the 1911A1 control guns and was eleminated. S&W failed the firing pin test and one of its pistols failed the endurance test but it was not elimated at this point.
At this point two guns were voluntarily withdrawn from the competition were the FN Double Hi Power on May 31 and the Colt SSP on July 18. Colt decided it didn't want to tool up to make the guns to the government's timetable.
Second phase- accuracy and human factors and various adverse condition and harsh environment tests- including Salt Water emersion, Wet and Dry Mud test. The Walther P88 failed both mud tests, no gun tested bested the 1911A1 control guns in this test. the 1911 was 100% in the mud tests while the HK was 99.5 % Beretta= 97%, SW= 97%, Sig = 88%. The Sig was particually awful in the dry mud test. But again only the Walther was elimnated.
The Salt Water test claimed the HK P7 M13 which failed to best the 1911A1 control pistol. The 1911 = 99%, Beretta and Sig = 100%, SW= 97%, HK= 86%
SW was finally eleminated for failing the service and firing pin.
Leaving only the Beretta and the Sig left to bid on the contract.
The bidding is another story for conspiracy buffs.
Whew..... FWIW
BlindJustice
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So, yhou're not a 1911 guy, isn't this a great country with the freedom to
choose what yah want?
choose what yah want?
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What if I'm not a 1911 kinda guy?
Some are, some ain't. Old school design... kinda weighty... 7 or 8 (maybe 9) big fat old slowpoke 230 gr chunks o' jacketed lead (as originally designed), single action, all those external safeties (OK, two), big long 5" snout; when kept close to original design they are kinda loose and maybe not really really as accurate as, say a SIG P210 or a K38, and those original sights??? Can you imagine using those while riding a galloping horse while people are trying to kill you???
Who can blame someone for not being the kinda guy who appreciates all that?
Not me.
The trigger can be pretty sweet tho', so there is that. It does have a tad bit o' history behind it and some like it for that. Oh sure, it can be modified as many ways as the day is long, but that doesn't mean much to most guys. It's also not real exclusive, cause everyone and their sister makes the darned things... for some reason.
Thank goodness there are other handguns available nowadays.
But also, thank goodness there was a Colt .45 Automatic designed by a certain genius from Utah and adopted by the US Army in 1911, because, giving credit where credit is due, a lot of good things have come from that fountainhead of inspiration handgun-wise. Even if it is, old... and heavy, we can still use it as a yardstick to measure how far we've come in 97 years.
Or not.
Some are, some ain't. Old school design... kinda weighty... 7 or 8 (maybe 9) big fat old slowpoke 230 gr chunks o' jacketed lead (as originally designed), single action, all those external safeties (OK, two), big long 5" snout; when kept close to original design they are kinda loose and maybe not really really as accurate as, say a SIG P210 or a K38, and those original sights??? Can you imagine using those while riding a galloping horse while people are trying to kill you???
Who can blame someone for not being the kinda guy who appreciates all that?
Not me.
The trigger can be pretty sweet tho', so there is that. It does have a tad bit o' history behind it and some like it for that. Oh sure, it can be modified as many ways as the day is long, but that doesn't mean much to most guys. It's also not real exclusive, cause everyone and their sister makes the darned things... for some reason.
Thank goodness there are other handguns available nowadays.
But also, thank goodness there was a Colt .45 Automatic designed by a certain genius from Utah and adopted by the US Army in 1911, because, giving credit where credit is due, a lot of good things have come from that fountainhead of inspiration handgun-wise. Even if it is, old... and heavy, we can still use it as a yardstick to measure how far we've come in 97 years.
Or not.
Treo
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QUOTE: "You're probably thinking of Darth Tyrannus AKA Saruman."
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76shuvlinoff
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you're not a 1911 guy? That's cool, it keeps the price down.
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