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What if Kerry wins?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Edmond, Oct 28, 2004.

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  1. Edmond

    Edmond Member

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    Haven't you guys thought of the possibility of Kerry winning? What's going to happen?

    Right now, I think a coin toss could decide who will win, it's that close.

    I kind of find it unsettling.
     
  2. critter

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    VERY unsetteling indeed. We'd get:

    The most liberal 'Kennedy clone' ever as pres
    Mrs. 'SHOVE IT' Kerry as first lady
    A total 'tax and spend' AND 'tax and give-away' govt ever
    BIG government very intrusive into our lives in every area
    A 'global', 'one world' view of the USA's interactions at the expense of
    our own sovereignty
    An anti-military com-in-chief
    A person WEAK on defense
    A person WEAK on foreign policy
    Appointments of several LIBERAL supreme court justices
    More repressive gun laws than we've ever seen
    Socialism like the world has never experienced before

    among other things.
     
  3. OF

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    I'll just quote a friend of mine when I asked what he was going to do later on on election night 2000.

    "Depends. If W wins, I'm going to eat some reheated Chinese food. If Gore wins, I'm going to eat my .45"

    - Gabe (he was kidding...of course...but you get the idea)
     
  4. shermacman

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    We already know what will happen. Even though Jean Fraud Kerry has absolutely no legislative record in the Senate, we need only look at how he has voted on other people's bills:
    Higher taxes, ridiculous regulations, gun restrictions, more governmental control, more governmental intrusion. The steady destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
    We need to vote on Nov. 2. George Bush is hardly the perfect candidate, but those of you who stay home because you didn't like Bush AWB position, or who vote for the Libertarian party are going to deliver this country to Kerry, Schumer, Feinstein and Kennedy.
     
  5. Reno

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    I've got an M4gery coming tomorrow. Just beat the election by the skin of my teeth. I trust neither of them to do anything to protect our rights, but at least Bush won't go on the offensive.

    Could be a very, very long 4 years.
     
  6. hm

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    oh, brother...

    :rolleyes:
    Again with the "end of civilization" nonsense. Y'all are the same one's (figuratively-speaking) who warned of an 'end-of-the-world' scenario in '92 if that wacko-liberal Bill Clinton got elected. Aside from a ridiculous, (and now dead) AWB, we enjoyed great prosperity and a lot more global peace than we do today...thanks to what Bill did and didn't do.

    Go ahead...air out all your knee-jerk neo-con arguments here and now about how Kerry=Apocalypse. Bring it on! Why? Because once all of you doomsayers have posted your predictions (and provided Kerry wins) I'm gonna save all your comments and meet you right back here in four years to see how things are going.

    My guess is you'll be pretty evasive about owning-up to the heat-of-the-moment comments many of you can't help but air out in these final days before the election.

    Global events under a John Kerry administration will look a heck of a lot less like the 'Prophetic Steps Toward Armageddon' that W has brought about...and we'll all still have our guns.
     
  7. ojibweindian

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    hm

    Kinda getting all worked up over some "neocons" venting, aren't you? You sure you're not a bit worked up yourself?

    My personal opinion is that we're screwed regardless of who wins. Why do I say that? Because, in my opinion, Americans today are just too damn lazy and stupid to care about anything other than immediate hedonistic gratification. The number of us who have a clue are abysmally small. Too small, I think, to make any real lasting effort to combat the stupidity painfully evident to any somewhat intelligent observer.
     
  8. Joe Demko

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    I'll try not to get hit with pieces of the sky as they fall to Earth. :rolleyes:

    Edited to add: Ojibweindian makes an excellent point regarding us getting screwed either way.
     
  9. GSB

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    We enjoyed prosperity that was built on a lot of loose financial sand that ultimately couldn't support it, and upon ridiculous predicitions of nonsensical growth rates extending out to the horizon.

    As for global peace, one would assume that the Yugoslavians, the Somalis, the Rwandans, the crew of the Cole, and a host of other populations would probably wonder where all that global peace was, exactly, in the 90s. Just because people weren't getting hacked to death with machetes in your backyard doesn't mean the world wasn't a violent place ten years ago.
     
  10. tulsamal

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    As long as we hold onto the House and Senate, we can survive. We would have to go back to trying to stop things rather than trying to pass laws that favor our position. It would be a step back but it wouldn't be the end of the world (at least in domestic policy).

    Now how it could end up screwing us up in Iraq is a totally different question. Whoever is President next year is going to need a lot of luck in that part of the world.

    And Kerry getting elected in 2004 _really could_ help up in 2006 and 2008. I shudder to think of the hysterical opposition in 2008 if Bush wins this year!

    The one domestic area that really will be a problem is the Supreme Court. Can't deny that. But the nominations have to get through the Senate. Probably the worst case would be that Kerry would be forced to pick moderates in order to get them through. That's probably better than having extremists of either side in the Court anyway.

    Hope for Bush but prepare for Kerry.

    Gregg
     
  11. charby

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    Kerry Wins

    Get up and go to work, listen to my co-workers heckle me about voting for the loser GW Bush. Try to scrape up enough loot to purchase a semi automatic military looking rifle before Jan 21. With evil flash hiders, pistol grip and bayonet mount.

    Pray that after Jan 21 that we don't get to liberal with uber high taxes to pay for the "free lunches" that Kerry is trying to promise. Hope that the UN doesn't take off on a New World Order or change their by laws to allow a Sec General from one of the five nations, i.e. Clinton at the helm.

    Hope that Legislative stays Republican and Hope Kerry screws the pooch so bad that America will wake up and see the light and vote for our best interest in 2008.

    Charby


    If Bushs wins all my coworkers will be emailed this link

    http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov :neener:
     
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    Guns will still be here in four years.

    Not every gun will be here in four years, though. I honestly think that if the Dems think they could pull it off, all semi's would be banned, or maybe put under the NFA. Think its far-fetched? There was support to give the ATF the authority to ban all centerfire ammo whenever they seen fit.

    If Kerry is elected, a new AR-15 will be mine. I was too young to get in before the first AWB, and I'm sure not gonna miss the boat this time. I want one before they become as expensive as a registered MG.
     
  13. tulsamal

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    Every single "military style" rifle I currently own I bought after 94. And they were made after 94. FAL's, AR's, CETME, AK's, etc. Unless you live in a bad state, you have ALWAYS had the ability to go buy an AR-15. The lack of a bayonet lug on my M4gery doesn't make me sleepless at night.

    Sure, I was glad to see the AWB expire. But let's not overstate how bad it really was. Stupid and ineffective, sure. But we were all getting the guns and magazines we wanted anyway.

    Gregg
     
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    My general thinking, and the thinking of a lot of smart RKBA people regarding a Kerry Presidency, is this:

    Most of the stuff he's spouting on the stump about foreign policy and huge domestic spending programs won't fly, especially if Congress stays basically unchanged. That will leave him looking for "targets of opportunity" to (pick one) assure his "legacy," assuage fears about his manhood ("LOOK! A goose!" BANG!) or just show his core constituency that he's doing something other than occupying space until the Gulliani Presidency in 2008.

    Our basic fear is that *WE* are the ideal target of opportunity. We hit all the bases...he can carve his legacy out of the Second Amendment, make the core Democractic special interest groups wildly happy and prove how he "stood up" to the Big Bad Gun Lobby.

    Will there be guns at the end of a Kerry Presidency? Of course. Will there be "assault weapons," "lookalike assault weapons," ".50 caliber anything," standard capacity magazines, civilian transfers, gun shows as we presently understand them and about half of the current firearms manufacturers? Probably not. We can also be assured of some sort of anti "sniper rifle" initiative; I would also not be surprised to see a move against the practical (i.e., scenario-based) shooting sports.

    Tell me again how there's "no difference" between the two candidates!

    mb
     
  15. OF

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    Maybe you were. It is my right as an American to own military weapons. The price has been driven through the roof by legislation. Only now that is coming down will I likely be in a position to buy the rifles it is my right to own.

    The AWB was more than a nuisance. Much more. Don't make light of it.

    - Gabe
     
  16. OF

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    Don't forget either, Mike, that they're both lawyers. Think 'big tobacco' had it bad? With enough lawyers you can make an end-run right around congress.

    Bend over and spread 'em.

    - Gabe

    PS: Good show on Rogers' Shooting School the other day.
     
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    I'll definitely be looking for you to back that one up in four years.
     
  18. OF

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    He's not going to be in a position to know, hm, none of us are. Kerry is done for. There is no way that this country will put that man in the white house at this point in time. It will never happen. Not only that, but I predict, as I have for months, that it will not even be close.

    But hypothetically, the only things that would stop Kerry from evicerating the 2nd Amendment, gun owners and gun manufacturers would be political fear or a congress in stiff opposition. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. Your man has quite a past in this arena. Check it out sometime.

    - Gabe
     
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    I'm praying that America isn't stupid enough to elect that Kerry creature.
     
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    I laugh every time somebody says this. Not because it is necessarily wrong but because it is EXACTLY what the most devoted say on the other side!

    I hang out a lot at a computer list that is mostly very well educated Democrats. I always feel like I'm outnumbered 100-1 over there. But they are CONVINCED that "America isn't dumb enough to fall for Bush again."

    It really does have to make you laugh!

    Kerry MAY not win. But it will be close.

    Gregg
     
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    But the thing is, we're at war and in war. Bush is the hawk and Kerry is the dove in this race. Historically, Americans do not elect or change to doves when war is on the horizon or the country is threatened with violence. Whatever you think about it, history shows, when we're threatened Americans want to see major ass being kicked. Kerry is not going to sate that thirst for pro-active aggressive anti-islamofascist action.

    Just because the other side says the same thing doesn't mean they're right.

    - Gabe
     
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    Anyone who claims to know with certainty the outcome of the 2004 race is either a partisan hack vying for votes or smoking something illegal.
     
  23. fast97rs

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    Friends,

    The only thing that Bill "Blow me...theres a future in it" Clinton did... was set Osama Bin Laden free....

    After the USS Cole was attacked by terrorits headed my Osama... the Saudi Arabian Govnment was able to capture him and asked Mr. Clinton what he wanted to do with the terrorist bastard.... Clinton "went limp" on the subject and and let the Saudi's deal with Osama...

    Since Osama had not commited a crime against them... we was released... thus he had time and the US granted freedom to be able to plan for the attack on the world trade center... ironically right after Clinton handed over the country to Bush.... who's father had previously began the war on terror.....

    We must hold onto the House and Senate... they are our last defense... if we loose them too... our guns/rites/freedoms... go out the window... Kerry is a Commy.... thats why the N. Vietnamese loved/love him so much.... i guess he loved them long time too.......

    And while we're on the topic of 'Nam... i find it odd that the President has released his military info. to the people, thats why we can ridicule him... while Kerry has not... i find it funny that someone could gain so many medels in ~4 month period......here.... http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/ ... go educate yourself on the man you want to call your leader and make the leader of the "Free World"...

    You can go against the war in Irag till you are blue in the face... the war was justified... since SoDamnInsane decided to break the peace treaty by trying to rearm/obtain nuclear proliferation... the "original" Gulf War really never ended.... thus the President could have marched right in with out even asking Congress, or "Permision" from other lesser Nation States. But rather he did... and we went in.... I am not pro war, i am pro PEACE/Justice/FREEDOM..... a wise man once said... "You want peace... prepare for war!... I have friends who are in the USMC... they have no problem going to serve thier country... those who do should not have joined if they are not willing to fight.... its alot like a butcher who does not want to touch meat... or a carpenter who does not like wood.... you get the idea... if you can't hack it.... pack it in! There are no free rides in this world... some peole join to get the free schooling/pensions/respect.... well i guess that they are going to have to earn the right to call themselves Marines, rangers, and National Gaurd now..... I guess Semper Fi (Always faithfull) is a creedo that only some Marines swear too now.......

    P.S.
    Bush might not be the best or smartest President ever... but he's a good, honest to God man... who is willing to do the right thing, even though its not popular.... America needs a leader... not a push around.....

    The wind blows Kerry in every other direction... i wonder how far the Terrorists will push him...

    I guess noone remembers the Cuban missle crisis when the USSR thought that Kennedy was also a push over and decided to place nuclear in a location only 90 miles off US soil........
     
  24. Edmond

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    You know what a lot of people think? They think that if Kerry were elected, all the problems that the nation is having today will suddenly vanish. That's not going to happen with Kerry, Bush, Nader or anyone else.

    Is the economy weak right now? Yeah, but people make it sound like electing Kerry will instantly bring it back to a surplus and people will be making $80K a year and everything will be fine and dandy.

    As for firearms, I think that Kerry will clamp down on us. And states that are bad on guns like IL and CA will just get worse. Look at Chicago! No guns and all that crime.:uhoh:
     
  25. OF

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    Well, seeing as how I'm registered independant, could care less how you vote and am stone sober, I guess there goes that theory :)

    - Gabe
     
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