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What if the ATF disappeared?

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Oolong, Nov 9, 2016.

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  1. Oolong

    Oolong Member

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    I was thinking, now that trump might win, he said that he would work to get rid of things like the EPA and in theory with the house and senate seeming to be republican what happens if they finally follow through and start getting rid of regulatory organizations, mainly the ATF.

    Would this render all forms of firearm legal or just decriminalized? Should gun owning voters start pushing for the end of the atf especially through groups such as the NRA?
     
  2. Zoogster

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    The role will not disappear even if the agency did. They would have an FBI branch to do the same thing after some time.

    No it is better to adjust the agency to what you want than to eliminate it.
    That gives you some political control because they focus and are responsible for certain areas of law we can fund more or less and discourage from trampling on rights.
    I have liked several of their interpretations over recent years and find them not overstepping and interpreting beyond what the law says against us.

    These are people with careers and long term employment doing a job they like. If they know every so many years the pro gun people will be in power, they are less likely to upset us when the antis are briefly in power and pressuring them to do so. A big slow agency slow to change can protect your rights if what they are slow to change from is something to your benefit.

    No what needs to be changed is the actual law, start removing bad laws already on the books.
     
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  3. Oolong

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    But wouldn't it be easy to return to Pre prohibition gun laws by eliminating the NFA and fighting to passing laws inhibit the governments ability to preform gun control? as someone in pa I can assure you that not legalizing alcohol on a national level allows for even more corrupt organizations to come into play at the local. Furthermore what elected official could survive increasing the power of the FBI after the theoretical closing of the ATF?
     
  4. barnbwt

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    You elected the wrong guy if you wanted the ATF gone. Trump may not be gun-hostile, but lets be real, and not project our desires onto the man like the other team does. The only way the Bureau dies is if congress kills it & Trump doesn't object to the loss of budget/authority. Ironically, the candidates who would actually try to kill the ATF are still in a position to craft such a bill & argue it.
     
  5. Oolong

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    So if per say I thought fully automatic guns should be legal, because grenade launchers are how would that even work in this conservative climate if not through the waylaying of the ATF?
     
  6. hso

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    Activism isn't for what if threads. if you want to see some restriction done away with you'll need to work for legislation to make it happen.
     
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