Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

What is a better 1911?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by vis-à-vis, Feb 28, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. vis-à-vis

    vis-à-vis Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    831
    Location:
    Louisville, KY
    Your opinions are needed:

    The Taurus 1911

    or Para Ordinance's PXT 1911

    Also if anyone in KY/IN has one and is interested in trading for a LNIB M&P 9, PM me.
     
  2. Kitchen_Duty

    Kitchen_Duty Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2007
    Messages:
    323
    Location:
    Seattle, Washington
    I own the Taurus 1911. It shoots well, hasn't had any failure to ejects or feed with the three types of ammo I've fed it. Seems reliable so far after about 250 rounds :)

    If this is your first 1911, I would head over to the 1911 forum (google it). I guess they speak very highly of the Rock Island Arms 1911 over there. They were running $440 at the last gun show I was at (washington state). I'm not a seasoned 1911 shooter but I know when I shot my friend's les baer, the only difference I noticed: harder to take apart for cleaning, better trigger... accuracy wasn't any different for me.

    Kitchen
     
  3. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,277
    Location:
    MA :(
    i love my para ( P14) no problems,shoots everything i feed it. 600 rounds about. and para has a great customer service record that iv seen.

    but try asking over at http://forum.m1911.org/ in the brand appropriate forums
     
  4. Scratchy

    Scratchy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    251
    Location:
    Colorado
    I love my Taurus 1911 so much I now need to buy a stainless version. Has eaten everything I have fed it. Also functions fine with some cheap gun show no-name mags.
     
  5. NWdude83

    NWdude83 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    386
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    Para for sure.
     
  6. Flyingtiger172

    Flyingtiger172 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    6
    Vis, both are fine guns. I prefer the Para but the finish will wear off quickly due to holster wear.
     
  7. NWdude83

    NWdude83 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    386
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    If you get blue, it will. Stainless isn't a finish.
     
  8. 45auto

    45auto Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    1,241
    I'd buy the Taurus.

    Para has a proprietary extractor and a ramped barrel in 45 ACP. Both of those features are not good IMO.
     
  9. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,277
    Location:
    MA :(
    any support for this?

    Smith and wesson have proprietary extractors.
    Wilson, Nowlin, and Clark also use ramped barrels.

    all of those names are well respected and good performers. is it the feature you dont like, or para?
     
  10. NWdude83

    NWdude83 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    386
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    From what I've heard and read, those features are all good things.
     
  11. 45auto

    45auto Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    1,241
    Features I don't like, not much experience with Para.

    I think you will find or read that most of the "noted" custom smiths and even semi-custom makers do not recommend a ramped barrel in 45. At "best", you might hear they can be made as reliable as non-ramped barrels. That's not a sterling recommendation to make a change...that has no purpose.
    Better yet, ask Tuner on this board. I doubt there's a more knowledgeable person on 1911s anywhere.
    The two companies that I see mostly with ramped barrels are Para and STI, both basically "sporting" type guns(origins anyway) and no doubt, use the ramp cut in their frames to make manufacturing easier between calibers...not because it's best.

    Same for the extractor design change in 45. To go from a one-piece design to multiple and/or "fitted" parts like Para or S&W is a "loser" IMHO...don't get it!
     
  12. Hoffy

    Hoffy Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    187
    Location:
    Fredericksburg, VA
    I like my PT1911...never had a para.
     
  13. jr_roosa

    jr_roosa Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2007
    Messages:
    980
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    My gunsmith does a lot of 1911 work, mostly bullseye stuff, and he tells me that the Taurus is the steal of the century.

    My other gunsmith who also does a lot of target work (more Olympic-type stuff) had a good suggestion: If you plan on getting any custom work done, call up the smith you're planning on using and see if he has a preference. Some of the low-end 1911s have a bad reputation of being difficult to customize (he gave an example of a slide that couldn't be fitted to the frame without cracking it).

    I have an old Colt, so I'm partial to 1911s with a horsey on the slide.

    -J.
     
  14. possum

    possum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    8,942
    Location:
    Concord, N.C.
    i would say go for the para, they come with match ramped barrels, they have the x- tractor, as well i have seen todd jarret run that exact model for 1000rds hitch free in one session. they run and they run. also i have feed spent brass in a para.
     
  15. Cowboy2

    Cowboy2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    233
    My Taurus has been flawless for over 2k rounds. Best factory trigger I've ever used.
     
  16. gcrookston

    gcrookston member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2007
    Messages:
    391
    I really like my Taurus. It compares quite favorably to my Colt GMNM.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,380
    Location:
    Garrettsville, Oh.
    Taurus.

    I'd buy the Taurus, if it were my money. They've been getting rave reviews from the folks shooting them, they don't break the bank and the FLGR is easily replaced with a proper one.

    Now on to why I wouldn't own a Barely Ordnance if you gave me one.

    The ramped barrel is a sulution for a buggered frame, not something to put on a new pistol.

    "match" chamber means they don't check them often enough during production and many are too tight. VERY bad juju for a defensive firearm. But you expect it because it's a "match" chamber.

    Internal parts on P.O. guns are so out of spec it unbelievable. I posted that a disconector was impinging on the magazine, was called everything but a liar. The gunsmith (Joel, don't remember last name) at P.O. said it was somewhat common.

    Customer service sucks. Wanted me to pay shipping on a handgun instead of sending me a new disconnector.

    Want me to go on? I can.
     
  18. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    12,879
    Location:
    Home Of The First Capitol Of The Confederate State
    I really don't have a correct reply~! :uhoh:

    Over two years ago, I owned a NIB 5" Para SSP- beautiful firearm with
    all the bells and whistles; but I never got a chance to shoot it. You see,
    I used it to trade up to a 5" Kimber Raptor II; which BTW, was also a
    very fine firearm with a low S/N. Then, the opportunity came along
    for me to acquire a NIB Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special 1911~! :scrutiny:

    Guess what, the deal was made for the Baer and I have NEVER even
    looked back~! :cool: As to the Taurus PT1911, I've NEVER owned one;
    and most likely NEVER will, giving the nod too Springfield Armory 1911's
    over Taurus anyday. :D
     
  19. Rinspeed

    Rinspeed Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,303
    Location:
    NY
    Just my opinion but I would stay away from both of them.
     
  20. jfh

    jfh Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2003
    Messages:
    4,865
    Location:
    Maple Plain, MN
    I'll vote with Ala Dan.

    For a feature-laden first firearm, the Taurus probably can only be matched by the similar-model RIA. However, 1911s made by SA, Kimber, S&W, Para-Ordnance, etc., are going to be better firearms--made with better metals, and the Para ramped barrel is a real plus.

    I have NOT shot a 1911 with a external extractor design--not a true 1911; my SA Omega with the Peters Stahl top end has dual extractors, however, and they worked fine but needed to be kept tuned. There is no reason to not buy a 1911 with the external design, AFAICT. In fact, they should be more amenable to home-based tuning, and that is a plus.

    Are there any posters here with Taurii or RIAs with 5K-10K rounds through them? How are they holding up, IOW--any undue wear or breakage?

    Jim H.
     
  21. MICHAEL T

    MICHAEL T Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    6,011
    Location:
    outback Kentucky
    Get a Springfield or a Colt. Dan Wesson would be fine also. My para was junk.
     
  22. jfh

    jfh Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2003
    Messages:
    4,865
    Location:
    Maple Plain, MN
    What made your Para junk, Michael--details, please.

    Jim H.
     
  23. Technosavant

    Technosavant Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    2,011
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I might understand a proprietary extractor being bad from the standpoint of replacement parts, but so long as it functions, I wouldn't worry.

    As for ramped barrels, they are just fine. They fully support the case head, so there's less chance of a blowout if a load is a bit hot. They can improve feeding, and there's no need to worry about the frame ramp at all. About the only problem I've found with them is that you can't use a .22LR top end in a frame cut for a ramped barrel.

    I've no experience with the Paras, but the Taurus 1911s are plenty decent, especially for the price. The only thing about it I didn't like was the cheap hard plastic grips and the oversize grip screws. Those are easily swapped.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page