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What is a "Cop Killer" Handgun?!?!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Erebus, Apr 8, 2006.

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  1. Erebus

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    They are probably referring to the FN Five-Seven.

    The Brady people are pretty clueless though. IIRC, armor piercing handgun ammo is restricted to LEO only. So it really is a moot point. The Five-Seven is even legal in CA. I guess there is some special non armor-piercing ammo avaiable for it.
     
  4. Maxwell

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    It started as their definition for the new five and seven handgun from fn(?), to imply that because its bullets go through bodyarmor it is specificly meant to kill cops. Then it meant .50 sized handguns too, because those in theory could also penetrate bodyarmor.

    As time passes, Im sure it will come to include every handgun on the market.

    If thats successful, it will start to include every rifle despite the fact they've been penetrating armor since 1776 and their not handguns.
    .50 cal muzzel loaders can shoot down jumo jets, you see.
     
  5. Manedwolf

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    Yes, it's the fiveseven. Idiotic MA lawmakers want to end crime by banning an $800 handgun that criminals would be highly unlikely to have. Besides, anything C&R in 7.62x25 can also defeat Level II armor, and so can ANY HUNTING RIFLE!

    They also want to ban the .50-cal rifles. I've yet to see anyone hold up a store with a Barrett .50 BMG...

    Criminals, though, illegal possession of a firearm gets them only a slap on the wrist, through the local paperwork and back on the street in days. :banghead:
     
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    If you illegaly lathe out pointy steel slugs for any handgun you will have bullets that can go through body armor. Any battle rifle caliber will also go right through body armor. If you shoot for the head, body armor is meaningless. Its really a silly point.
     
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    Here's something I found on Barrett rifles, the guy who is a maker of .50 calibers and is currently putting his money where his mouth is regarding his decision not to sell/service California cops/gov due to CA's decision to ban .50's.

    Anyways here is a 6 page story rebuttal to those that think that .50's need to be banned for all the "hot button" reasons.

    http://www.barrettrifles.com/news/Michael Marks Rebuttal Piece.pdf

    cavman
     
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    That's because the definition is at once self-evident and completely useless. Self-evidently, a "cop-killer gun" is one that's used by criminals to kill cops. That's completely useless information because any gun can be used to kill any cop or any other person in the world.

    The leftist extremists are trying to demonize a particular firearm in the hope of having it banned. Once they've succeeded in banning one gun, they've just made it much, much easier to ban all guns.

    Mere logic and facts mean nothing to them. Their only goal is to disarm every last law-abiding American citizen.
     
  9. Erebus

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    Intresting that the bradynetwork has no means to just ask a question about the content of their site.

    I would like to ask questions about the rationalization of some of their standings on certain issues. The one that always gets me is that gun and ammo manufacturors should be able to be sued by someone that gets shot. Makes absolutely no sence to me and I haven't seen any explanation beyond "they made the gun and bullets used". That holds no weight to me as no one would even think to sue Ford, Budweiser and Exxon when someone gets run down in a crosswalk by a drunk.
     
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    Latest manufactured buzz word. Past word include:
    --Saturday Night Special
    --Assault Weapon
    --Gunshow Loophole
    --Sniper Rifle
    --and now, Cop Killer
    --honorable mention goes to "Bullet Hose"

    The game is the same. Brady et al create am emotion laden term, place it in the media via useful idiot fellow travellers, get widespread play, and over time morph the definition to whatever goal they have in mind.
     
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    Erebus,

    Brady Campaign Phone: (202) 898-0792
    Brady Campaign Fax: (202) 371-9615

    Brady Center Phone: (202) 289-7319
    Brady Center Fax: (202) 408-1851

    It looks like they don't have an email address, but a polite call couldn't hurt.
     
  12. Erebus

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    1911JMB,

    No it can't.
     
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    Any handgun used to kill a cop.
    Assault weapons, any weapon used to assault somebody else.

    It is all semantics used to demonize the tool instead of the tool behind the tool.

    I do believe they are talking about the five seveN though. God forbid they find out about the CZ52.
     
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    You probably could if you jacked it a few feet off its foundations first :p
     
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    Last I heard here in MA they're trying to ban the FiveseveN, the .50 S&W, and .50 BMG rifles. One of these days I'm going to escape to a free state. Just wish the local leaders weren't bonkers--it's a pretty place.
     
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    Just over the line north is freedom!
     
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    Ask any rappper... :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't know why they are talking about banning the FN Fiveseven pistol in Mass when it is already banned from sale in this state. Since the gun design has not been tested and put on the list of handguns that have passed the state mandated safety tests. Until then it can not be sold in the state. And even if FN(they are one of the several handgun manufactures that refuse to do business in Mass do to the assine regulations about having all handguns having to be approved for sale), did send some samples to be tested, and the gun design passed, I doubt the Attorney General, who btw is running for Governor, would allow them to be sold in the state, Just like when he saved us from Glocks by blocking their sale. He made all gun dealers return the unsold pistol to the distrubutors and anyone that bought one had to return it to the dealer for a full refund or face jail time. I doubt they ever will be allowed to be sold in this state.
     
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    I can't stand the Brady's. The only thing I like about their website is it tells you which state has good gun laws (C's, D's, F's) and which states gun laws suck (B's and A's).
     
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    A cop killer handgun is...

    a phrase commonly found in liberal nazi-speak that roughly translates into "we will deprive you of anything more deadly than a rubber band and leave you at the mercy of those who would do you harm. Because we think that a criminal's life is more valuable than yours."

    Human life is worth protecting, and YES my life and the life of my loved ones is infinitley more valuable to me than the life of the crackhead that broke into my house.

    The deepest violation of a human right is to deprive a person of his means of self-protection. Our constitution was founded on natural law and inherent in natural law is the right to self-preservation. Even Hobbes (as off kilter as he was) knew that it was an essential human right to "avoid a violent death."
    ~Nathan
     
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    Its not the bradys fault. Its your reps that listen to them and the blisninnys that vote to keep these people in office.

    The worlds full of liars and they will say anything to score a win.
    Brady's shooting had little to do with evil/black assault weapons, armor piercing bullets, .50bmg, background checks, gun show trades or keeping minors from guns.
    Yet your reps listen to them just like they listen to hippies about global politics and peta about medical testing.
    Maybe its just an exceuse for the elected to push their personal agenda, either way I'd blame the politician above the rest for pushing these movements into laws.
     
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    Its something that exists only in the minds of a liberal anti-gun moron.
     
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    This is old news.

    These guns were declared sporting by the BATFE (under the handgun import checklist in force since 1969) and this kinda shut the whole furor down.

    If the BATFE lets the gun into the US, you KNOW it's sporting!
     
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    Brady Center Definitions:
    "Cop Killer Handgun" = any handgun we want to ban
    "Assault weapon" = any firearm we want to ban
     
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    official: it is not "cop killer"

    DoJ BATFE FTB
    Department of Justice
    Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives
    Fireams Technology Branch
     

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