Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by brewer12345, Oct 10, 2021.
Even if you own land you need a tag here.
Bag Limits Antlered Buck Deer: The statewide bag limit on antlered buck deer is one (1) buck per day and three (3) per annual season. One (1) of these three (3) may have hardened antlers that do not meet the unit legal antler requirements on private land and Holly Springs National Forest. For youth hunters fifteen (15) years of age and younger, hunting on private land and authorized state and federal lands, all three (3) of the three (3) buck bag limit may be any antlered deer. Antlered buck bag limit in the North Central Deer Management Unit (DMU) is one (1) buck per day and four (4) per annual season. No antler restrictions apply to this DMU. All four bucks may have any sized hardened antlers. Antlerless Deer: Private lands: The statewide annual bag limit on antlerless deer is five (5). The antlerless bag limit for private lands in the North Central DMU is ten (10) antlerless deer per season. Antlerless deer are male or female deer which do not have hardened antler above the natural hairline. Only two (2) antlerless deer may be harvested from the Southeast Unit. There is no daily bag limit on antlerless deer in the Northeast, North Central, East Central, Southwest, and Delta units. Only one (1) antlerless deer per day may be harvested in the Southeast DMU. U.S. Forest Service National Forests: The bag limit is one (1) per day, not to exceed five (5) per annual season except in the Southeast Unit, which is two (2) per annual season.
As for primitive weapons.
Primitive Weapons: Weapons legal for use during the Primitive Weapons season are all archery equipment and primitive firearms. ”Primitive firearms,” for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double-barreled muzzleloading rifles of at least .38 caliber; OR single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions, or reintroductions of those type rifles with an exposed hammer; OR single or double-barreled muzzleloading shotguns, with single ball or slug. All muzzleloading primitive firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with percussion caps, #209 shotgun primers, or flintlock ignition. “Blackpowder substitute” is defined as a substance designed, manufactured, and specifically intended to be used as a propellant in muzzleloading or other black powder firearms, excluding modern smokeless powder. Metallic cartridges may be loaded with either black powder or modern smokeless powder (cartridges purchased at sporting goods stores). Telescopic sights are allowed while hunting with any primitive firearm during the primitive weapon seasons. A telescopic sight is defined as an optical sighting device with any magnification. During any open season on deer with primitive weapons after November 30, a person may use any legal weapon of choice, including pre-charged pneumatic weapons (air guns or bows), on private lands only,
with the Renegade I’d pop the barrel off and clean in the bathtub. I found it quite easy and quick to clean.
With that in-line I had to pull the breech plug and clean. Put grease on breechplug threads and clean the bore. I found it quite accurate and I could unload it but to me a pain to clean. I’m sure the newer ones are much more user friendly. I still have the in-line but haven’t shot it in years. It isn’t worth much now days but it did put meat in the freezer.
The new break action types like the CVA Optima are a Breeze to clean. No tools needed to remove breech plug and the nitride/stainless barrels clean out easily.
I find a few caps that the priming compound has fallen out of in almost every tin of Remington caps. I try to mostly use CCI or RWS.
I am less than wild about CCI musket caps. Sometimes inconsistent ignition, lower powered, etc. Will burn up the rest for target and switch the the scheutzen I have on hand. If we can ever buy stuff again, I hear the RWS is the best.
CCI musket caps are crap unless you can find some of the old six wing caps. They downloaded them for reenactors. I only use RWS musket caps.
Had no idea when I neckbearded them off the wall at Sportsmans. All I knew was that they were the only ones i had seen for sale and I had a Zouve to shoot. I picked up "some" of the scheutzen in the past year when Graf's had them, so that is what I will use after I burn up the cci murdering paper.
If you can't find musket caps you can change the nipple out for one that takes #11 caps.
I know, but where is the fun in that? I bought enough of the scheutzen to last me for years.
Just sayin if you can't find musket caps #11 will work.
Agreed. I made sure that I have a few #11 nipples for the Zouave.
I actually got my hands on a couple of musket cap nipples for my TCs. I have a former 54 New Englander that I had bored out to a 58 round ball barrel. It shoots well considering I bought it as a roached barrel, but after a few shots ignition can be spotty. Need to get it out again and try the musket nipple to see if it resolves the problem.
Standard caps ignite Pyrodex with no problems. I don't know about some of the other stuff.
Deer hunting with muzzleloaders is in decline in OK. During the 2019-20 season 15.6 percent of OK deer were killed with muzzleloaders, 55.5 percent are taken with center fire rifles and 28.9 percent are taken with archery.
2019 - 2020 Big Game Report | Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation (wildlifedepartment.com)
It's a personal choice thing. i hunt with both traditional sidelock rifles and inline rifles.
The TC's have a really really weird breech plug with a strange and contorted flash channel. If you get that clean enough they can be reliable. Most cap lock breech's have a more direct flash channel, and even a drum and nipple will be completely reliable if you clean and load it properly.
I own a flintlock that has never, ever, miss-fired.
I think this is a very good post.
For the record, I am (as though anyone asked) completely okay with just about any legal method of take, full stop. But, being the clever monkeys we are, we sort of naturally push the rules as far as we can - witness the Savage ML-II "muzzleloader" - and sometimes have to be a bit careful about the sprit of the thing. As an example, a special "bow only" season, instituted when Howard Hill was leading the charge with his longbow, takes on a slightly different meaning when people start showing up with battery-powered crossbows.
Of course, in Howard's day there were approximately fourteen deer in the country, so the whole idea of "special seasons" may now be entirely out of date...
That is my thought. I have a CVA Optima pistol so I can hunt with a handgun during blackpowder season but can’t bring myself to use it.
In turn, hunting a fairly stupid animal with any level of human technology seems to lack any kind of pure honor - the deer doesn’t have a chance to begin with - so the perspective of being pure and honorable when challenged by an idiot like a deer is pretty twisted in my book.
Anyway, killing a dumb animal so that they do not over populate is the main objective, hunting season is not to create a moral honor squad.
I don't buy that. Then why have a special season at all? Just make it all general gun. The point of archery and blackpowder seasons is to allow folks hunting with less effective methods time in the woods where they do not have to compete with modern rifle hunters. Colorado is the only state I know of to make explicit rules dictating that traditional muzzeloaders be used, because THAT is the spirit of the rules.
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