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What is it and price? Remington Army Beals?

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by kdave21, Mar 1, 2011.

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  1. kdave21

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    Obviously this would be easier with pictures and more information, but circumstances do not allow at this time. I have a gentlemen about an hour and 15 minutes from here with no e-mail capability who has some guns to sell. One of them he said was a .44 percussion, but he said he couldnt see anything on it other than the word "1858" I called him back and asked him to look again and he said he could make out the word "Beals" Other things he could tell me about was the fact that it had a brass sight dovetailed into the front, some pitting on the barrel, a top strap, missing wedge. I asked about cartouche on grips, he said there was none. He said serial number under loading lever was 23XXX

    My best guess was a Remington Beals Army Model Revolver, but Flaydermans says that only 1900 of these were made starting at serial number 1. So even if I misheard him, and he said 2300 something, it would still be outside of the 1900 range. He says it is not a .36 caliber.

    Thoughts?

    Price RANGE? (I know I know, impossible to do with information provided) but... He doesnt know what he wants for it, all his other guns he had a price on, but he didnt even know that this was a Remington before I talked to him so he had no idea of what to ask.
     
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    I just saw one on gunbroker in the 17000 range, and I noticed the one Kind of looked like a 2, maybe its actually in the 13000 range, which would make sense if it was actually a .36 after all. Not sure how he determined caliber, but he thought it was 44 and that it looked bigger than a 36. I told him I would come up with a range and I figured as long as he was willing to sell it in the range we discussed, I would gamble on the drive. I will be buying this one to make money probably.
     
  3. Jim K

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    The only military (Army/Navy) Remington revolvers that were marked with the name "BEALS" were the Remington-Beals and, yes, they are very scarce and would not have a serial in that range. The Army went only to the 1900's and the Navy to maybe 15000. The main visual differences between the Beals and later Remingtons is that in the Beals, the frame at the back of the barrel is straight and the barrel threads are not visible, plus there are no safety notches in the cylinder.

    Jim
     
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    Thanks Jim. I always appreciate your insight on these posts. I went and bought the old gal today. After looking at it closer, I determined it to be a .36 caliber in the 7000 serial range which made a lot more sense. Must have been a communication error on the phone. The guy had some interesting stuff he was looking to get rid of. He also sold me a Colt 1877 Lightning in .32 cal. When he told me about it over the phone, he didnt know what it was, and when I bought it, I had no idea that .32 was rare... Its pretty rough, the mechanicals are broke, and its a blend of nickel and rust. Neat due to its scarcity though. (assuming its legit, I dont think its a fake, but will need to research more). Might start a thread on it when I have time.
     
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    Heres a pic of the ol boy. Not too bad. Bit of a timing issue, grips are trashed. Still pretty neat, will make someone a nice Civil War piece.
     

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    Yep, that is the Beals Navy, a fairly rare gun in itself. The tip of the hammer is broken off and the head of the cylinder pin is missing, but the latter is easily made and well worth the cost. (I think the 1858 cylinder pin can be fitted, but the Beals has only one "wing".)

    A couple of nice acquisitions.

    Jim
     
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    Does anyone know what this marking to the right of the serial number is?

    Is this just an "X" with an unknown meaning?

    Is this remnants of the crossed anchors symbol I have heard about (but cant seem to find a picture of)?

    If it is anchors, what does that mean?
     

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    RemingtonArmed,
    No one has given me a proposed value. It is a gunsmiths business as we speak, he is replacing the cylinder pin and putting a correct style wedge in it for me to make it "complete." He is also going to put it in time for me.

    Sorry I missed your post on this, didnt realize anyone was still looking at the thread.
     
  10. Jim K

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    I don't think that "X" is significant. It might be just an accidental marking from the treatment of the gun over the years.

    Jim
     
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