Blacklabman
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I have owned many makes and models over the years. The answer is........................ GLOCK
I prefer the G26, G17, G29, G20 models.
I prefer the G26, G17, G29, G20 models.
What is the most dead solid reliable pistol (autoloader) design ever?
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Give that credit to Italian gun manufacturer Pietro Galesi and his small auto-loaders..
My personal 25cal has been completely unreliable now for lo' these 40+ years.
Wouldn't feed a full magazine without screwing up in 1966, still maintaining that record in 2007!
Oops,
I thought this thread was about the most "dead solid UNreliable pistol"
My bad.. 'Cuse me...
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
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Ugh. I have come to really, really dislike Mel Gibson and that stupid Lethal Weapon series just for that undying urban legend alone, never mind the anti-NRA propaganda they put into LW4.
To wit: you cannot remove the slide from a loaded and unmodified Beretta 92 without the active participation of the person holding the gun. You have to depress the takedown release on the right side of the frame while simultaneously rotating the takedown lever on the left side of the frame. Nobody has that kind of dexterity and speed to pull off both steps before the owner of the gun can pull the trigger, unless said owner is asleep at the switch.
If you still cling to that fantasy, google "Jet Li Lethal Weapon screenshots", and you will find that the Beretta 92 held by Gibson in that scene already had the takedown lever rotated into the "down" position.
GRP
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I'll vote for Glock, I have a G19 and however you wrist it, it never jams. It's also easy to shoot good.
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If I could only have 1 gun and it had to last me through decades of use without any help from a gunsmith and had to go BANG when I pulled the trigger with all sorts of ammo and it had to do the job on the other end, again with any and all ammo, then I can think of only 1 gun.
If I could only have 1 gun and it had to last me through decades of use without any help from a gunsmith and had to go BANG when I pulled the trigger with all sorts of ammo and it had to do the job on the other end, again with any and all ammo, then I can think of only 1 gun.
Dave Markowitz
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Most modern service pistols when well made, fed halfway decent ammo, and using good magazines will be very, very reliable. That said, my choices would be, in no particular order:
* M-1911, if made as JMB intended. E.g., no MIM parts, spring steel extractor, and a 7 round mag with the dimple on the follower.
* FN/Browning High Power. My BHP Practical would be my first choice in a service auto, anywhere in the world. Energizer Bunny reliability with the best ergonomics on the planet.
* Glock 17. The best and most reliable of all the Glocks. I don't particularly like them, but I respect them.
* Ruger P-xx. I think of these as the Kalashnikov of autopistols. Strong like bull. The P-90s in .45 ACP are also soft-shooting and extremely accurate.
* Makarov. My PM has actually been my the most reliable autoloader I've ever shot. The only malf was a single failure of the slide to lock back when empty, but otherwise no failures to feed, fire, or eject.
* Tokarev TT-33. Feels like you're holding a carpenter's square but they just work.
* Beretta M92/M9, as much as I dislike the design, they are reliable when not worn out or using lowest-bidder GI mags.
* SIG M11. If I was in the service and issued a handgun, this would be the one I'd want.
* M-1911, if made as JMB intended. E.g., no MIM parts, spring steel extractor, and a 7 round mag with the dimple on the follower.
* FN/Browning High Power. My BHP Practical would be my first choice in a service auto, anywhere in the world. Energizer Bunny reliability with the best ergonomics on the planet.
* Glock 17. The best and most reliable of all the Glocks. I don't particularly like them, but I respect them.
* Ruger P-xx. I think of these as the Kalashnikov of autopistols. Strong like bull. The P-90s in .45 ACP are also soft-shooting and extremely accurate.
* Makarov. My PM has actually been my the most reliable autoloader I've ever shot. The only malf was a single failure of the slide to lock back when empty, but otherwise no failures to feed, fire, or eject.
* Tokarev TT-33. Feels like you're holding a carpenter's square but they just work.
* Beretta M92/M9, as much as I dislike the design, they are reliable when not worn out or using lowest-bidder GI mags.
* SIG M11. If I was in the service and issued a handgun, this would be the one I'd want.
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Dave, why do you dislike the Beretta 92 design?
Kimber1911_06238
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1911
Dave Markowitz
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I have small hands, and the M9 grossly oversized for a 9mmP, IMO. In contrast, the Browning High Power holds as many rounds (with Mec Gar mags) in a design that is much smaller. Other 9mmPs which fit me well include the Radom and SIG P225.
This is basically a matter of personal taste. Note that I'm not saying that the M9 is a bad gun, only oversized for the round it chambers. If anyone else likes it, no skin off my back.
txgolfer45
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Glock! 
RNB65
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A lot of folks have danced around it, but no one has given the obvious answer. The most dead solid reliable autoloader design ever is the Browning short-recoil system. John Browning invented it and almost every gun manufacturer on the planet copied it.
Ol' JMB really knew his stuff, huh?.
Ol' JMB really knew his stuff, huh?.
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Not to be obtuse, but what is the short recoil system and what guns incorporate that feature?
And yes, as much as actual guns, I was interested in specific design features and a discussion of the pros and cons of various designs.
And yes, as much as actual guns, I was interested in specific design features and a discussion of the pros and cons of various designs.
ezypikns
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Uhhhh....
my Bulgarian Makarov? Never a failure. With ANY type of ammo.
my Bulgarian Makarov? Never a failure. With ANY type of ammo.
Autolycus
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This is way to broad a topic.
Every gun will have failures. Any modern handgun should be reliable.
Every gun will have failures. Any modern handgun should be reliable.
TimboKhan
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Just in my own experience, my P90 is about as reliable as I would ever expect a auto gun to be. I won't keep a gun that isn't reliable, but out of all of the guns that I own, that would be the one that I would gamble the most money on in a reliability contest. Thats just based off of my experience.
Big Bore
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"A properly set up 1911 is just as reliable as any glock and 4 times as pretty."
What is a "properly set up 1911."
What is a "properly set up 1911."
RNB65
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Here are a couple of articles that explain the short-recoil system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil_operation
http://www.rkba.org/guns/principles/operating-systems/short-recoil.html
Handgun manufacturers which use the Browning style short-recoil system include Browning, Colt (and all other 1911 makers), Sig Sauer, Glock, CZ, Ruger, Smith&Wesson, FN, Kahr, and I'm sure there are others that I don't know about.
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